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"Time to get serious!" Hakan Match-up Thread

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  • BakkdBakkd Joined: Posts: 188Registered
    Update on the DeeJay matchup: Options against his short hop kick: Zero except F.MP which might whiff. No normals beats it in the air except if you're deadsure that he's going to toss it out, in that case you can jump back and MP xx ex slide. However, the lk oil into meaty F.MP works splendid, like seriously works well. I'd suggest tossing it out if he's very happy with jackknife.
  • BakkdBakkd Joined: Posts: 188Registered
    vs BOXER
    one slide knock down and its in hakan favour.
    the updated safe jump OS dive setup is:

    [ slide-press > walk forward a tiny frame > f.lk > f.j.hk OS mk dive ]
    -whiffs all headbutt and OS dive punish
    -cross up on his ex.dash punch
    -hit crouch/b.dash/dash punches.
    -if you dont walk forward a tiny, still works except the ex.dash punch will hit you.


    vs C.VIPER

    updated safe jump OS is:

    [ slide-press > c.lp > f.j.hk OS c.hk ]
    -blocks her hp.upper
    -OS c.hk punishes her b.dash & ex.seismo dodge
    -ex.burnkick whiffs to the other side
    -this is a must learn for vs vipers.

    Both setups looks really nasty, really nice find. A tip against Viper is that if you're going to use super as AA punish, I like to use the projectile invul one cause if she cancels the jump or tries to hit you with a burn kick, it'll whiff and you can punish her for free.

    On another note: The Gen matchup is in Gen's favor but its not impossible. Whenever you go into an airbattle, toss out MP, LP or LK as fast as possible and you'll in most cases hit. This is cause Gen's airnormals all come out really quick but they don't have a lot of activation time, which means that Gen players will in most cases toss out their airnormals when they're on their way down. So keep that in mind. Dives beats a lot of his specials as well, afaik it beats the gekiro, oga and hands, not sure about the roll thou. Same with the slides, they're free as long as he has no meter so be sure to mix both slides and dives in. However, if he has meter and ultra, no dives or slides will work but CC avoids Gekiro, Oga and both versions of U1 and both versions of U2. Gen can punish backdashes with U1 and U2 so a really good bait is to do backdash into CC. So far, parrying works pretty well against his airnormals too except his targetcombo but I wouldn't go for parrying when you're close enough to get hit by his cr.MP or any normal that Gen can cancel into hands, hands beats the shit out of your parries. So instead, try to stay out of the closer ranges and try to bait out any of his longrange normals with an FA cause those are punishable by either letting the FA rip, DNC f.mp/cr.MK xx slide.

    Thus, the important part is so space Gen out properly and be very careful when you're at the closer ranges. If you do this properly, the Gen matchup shouldn't be too much of a hassle.
  • BakkdBakkd Joined: Posts: 188Registered
    Is there any way for hakan to punish Seth's engine? Doesn't look like Hakan can punish it at all, only if he does it midscreen or something, 50/50 regardless.
  • BakkdBakkd Joined: Posts: 188Registered
    Also, did you know that Hakan has no crouchtechs? All of his normals gets beat by regular grabs, so technically he doesn't have a crouchtech.

    Hakan vs Bison : 8 - 2 max, its completely in Bisons favor in everyway, to the point where his normals beats U1. You can't punish anything. Name one special that you can punish that isn't wakeup crusher. Its by far the worst matchup in the game, on par with Thawk vs Blanka.
  • 3xfun_wtf3xfun_wtf Joined: Posts: 23Registered
    Also, did you know that Hakan has no crouchtechs? All of his normals gets beat by regular grabs, so technically he doesn't have a crouchtech.

    Hakan vs Bison : 8 - 2 max, its completely in Bisons favor in everyway, to the point where his normals beats U1. You can't punish anything. Name one special that you can punish that isn't wakeup crusher. Its by far the worst matchup in the game, on par with Thawk vs Blanka.

    You can punish Scissor kick with oil rocket right?? Oiled though... I know I have a really hard time with Bison players...
  • BakkdBakkd Joined: Posts: 188Registered
    You can punish Scissor kick with oil rocket right?? Oiled though... I know I have a really hard time with Bison players...

    You can punish HK scissors if they're close. Which they never are cause why would they go for it when they can do anything else for free?
  • BakkdBakkd Joined: Posts: 188Registered
    Crossups doesn't work on hawk.
  • yakult99yakult99 shaaaaa Joined: Posts: 209Registered
    well the hakan cross kick works on hawk:
    [ slide-press > c.mp > f.j.hk ]
    -all dp whiffs
    -hits them if they crouch/stand/jump
    (but they can 360 you on block if you dont jump again straight away)

    Bison is hard but not that hardest honestly.
    especially if they are turtle bison then you have higher chance to win = more oil :)
    omg its so wet.
  • BakkdBakkd Joined: Posts: 188Registered
    well the hakan cross kick works on hawk:
    [ slide-press > c.mp > f.j.hk ]
    -all dp whiffs
    -hits them if they crouch/stand/jump
    (but they can 360 you on block if you dont jump again straight away)

    Bison is hard but not that hardest honestly.
    especially if they are turtle bison then you have higher chance to win = more oil :)

    You're wrong. Hawk can delay the DP which will hit.
  • yakult99yakult99 shaaaaa Joined: Posts: 209Registered
    Just retested and all hawks dp gets beaten or whiffed from the [ slide-press > c.mp > f.j.hk ].
    Your timing might be off causing them to hit. GL
    omg its so wet.
  • OilforthewinOilforthewin Joined: Posts: 101Registered
    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/comment/7773355/#Comment_7773355
    If someone is interested in, those are the match up numbers given by Ultradavid:
    Name: Hakan-Opponent
    Abel: 6-4
    Adon: 5-5
    Akuma: 6-4
    Balrog: 6-4
    Blanka: 4-6 (27)
    Cammy: 3-7
    Chun: 6-4
    Claw: 6-4
    Cody: 5-5
    Dan: 5-5 (25)
    DeeJay: 7-3
    Dhalsim: 8-2
    Dictator: 6-4
    Dudley: 4-6
    Evil: 6-4 (31)
    Fei: 4-6
    Gen: 7-3
    Gouken: 7-3
    Guile: 6-4
    Guy: 5-5 (29)
    Fuerte: 7-3
    Hawk: 6-4
    Honda: 3-7
    Ibuki: 4-6
    Juri: 6-4 (26)
    Ken: 6-4
    Makoto: 4-6
    Oni: 6-4
    Rose: 7-3
    Rufus: 5-5 (28)
    Ryu: 6-4
    Sagat: 6-4
    Sakura: 4-6
    Seth: 4-6
    Viper: 4-6 (24)
    Yang: 6-4
    Yun: 4-6
    Zangief: 7-3 (17)
    Total: 207
    Hakan wins a match= His opponent didn´t know the matchup.(Nice excuse btw).
    Hakan loses a match = He lost, because he is bottom tier.
    (This is what some people would say, if one of those happens)

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