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RSX and Co. teach A2. Update: Frame data available PM my Inbox

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  • MiddlekickMiddlekick r.mika stalker Joined: Posts: 599Registered
    M.Bison meaty options:

    As RSX has mentioned earlier, if you use the kick Warp after throwing the opponent and hit crouching Forward, your attack will be a meaty. You can also set up the meaty crouching Forward with a kick Warp after a Level 1 Knee Press Nightmare.
    After you hit with your meaty crouching Forward, with good timing it's possible to link into another crouching Forward, which can then be cancelled into a Knee Press Nightmare. From there you can go into a loop. What's handy, though, is the fact that you can also use his crouching Short as a meaty, which you can then link into the first hit of his standing Roundhouse, which can be cancelled into a Nightmare or the Double Knee Press. So this allows you to throw an opponent who is expecting a frame trapping crouching Forward - or is tricked by the similar looking animation of the crouching short to the crouching Forward.

    Meaty Combo options starting from an unteched throw or a Level 1 Knee Press Nightmare:

    - meaty crouching Forward-> crouching Forward-> Knee Press Nightmare
    - meaty crouching Forward-> standing Roundhouse (first hit)-> Knee Press Nightmare or Roundhouse Double Knee Press
    - meaty crouching Short-> standing Roundhouse-> Roundhouse Double Knee Press or Nightmare

    Meaty mix-up possibilities starting with a throw or a Level 1 Knee Press Nightmare:

    meaty crouching Forward-> walk in and throw-> if not teched, repeat the meaty loop.
    meaty crouching Forward-> hesitate a small moment, to let the opponent start a throw tech-> crouching Forward-> Level 1 Knee Press Nightmare-> loop.
    meaty crouching Short-> throw
    meaty crouching Short-> hesitate for a small moment-> crouching forward-> Nightmare-> loop if possible

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  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,383Registered
    Is every Brazilian that plays on GGPO an autofire using scumbag or what?
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    isn't it funny that capcom put a mechanic called focus into a game designed for people with ADD
  • DreamfireDreamfire Joined: Posts: 159Registered
    Yeah pretty much. I'm pretty sure they ruined most of the online a2 scene for ggpo, since no one likes to play or put up with them. I'd just strictly play Americans, some of the Japanese, and probably any country that isn't Brazil.
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  • ShinBlankaShinBlanka 神Blanka Joined: Posts: 7,085Registered, Moderators
    M.Bison meaty options:

    As RSX has mentioned earlier, if you use the kick Warp after throwing the opponent and hit crouching Forward, your attack will be a meaty. You can also set up the meaty crouching Forward with a kick Warp after a Level 1 Knee Press Nightmare.
    After you hit with your meaty crouching Forward, with good timing it's possible to link into another crouching Forward, which can then be cancelled into a Knee Press Nightmare. From there you can go into a loop. What's handy, though, is the fact that you can also use his crouching Short as a meaty, which you can then link into the first hit of his standing Roundhouse, which can be cancelled into a Nightmare or the Double Knee Press. So this allows you to throw an opponent who is expecting a frame trapping crouching Forward - or is tricked by the similar looking animation of the crouching short to the crouching Forward.

    Meaty Combo options starting from an unteched throw or a Level 1 Knee Press Nightmare:

    - meaty crouching Forward-> crouching Forward-> Knee Press Nightmare
    - meaty crouching Forward-> standing Roundhouse (first hit)-> Knee Press Nightmare or Roundhouse Double Knee Press
    - meaty crouching Short-> standing Roundhouse-> Roundhouse Double Knee Press or Nightmare

    Meaty mix-up possibilities starting with a throw or a Level 1 Knee Press Nightmare:

    meaty crouching Forward-> walk in and throw-> if not teched, repeat the meaty loop.
    meaty crouching Forward-> hesitate a small moment, to let the opponent start a throw tech-> crouching Forward-> Level 1 Knee Press Nightmare-> loop.
    meaty crouching Short-> throw
    meaty crouching Short-> hesitate for a small moment-> crouching forward-> Nightmare-> loop if possible

    ----

    Random Zangief note:

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  • ShinBlankaShinBlanka 神Blanka Joined: Posts: 7,085Registered, Moderators
    You can also meaty RH slide and I don't think they can reverse it or no 1 has reversed me when i've done it to them. Just make sure you have the correct spacing when you slide or you will eat a combo. It's safe on meaty.
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  • slugnastyslugnasty Joined: Posts: 6Registered
    Really want to improve my Sakura game. The links in the first post are broken for me. Is that information still around somewhere?
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Needs more Crisco. Joined: Posts: 3,192Registered
    Really want to improve my Sakura game. The links in the first post are broken for me. Is that information still around somewhere?
    What Links are broken?
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  • slugnastyslugnasty Joined: Posts: 6Registered
    The ones for individual characters on page 1. Where it will say something like "Ryu 101" then have a gif of the character, then a link. The links don't work for me.
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  • ShinBlankaShinBlanka 神Blanka Joined: Posts: 7,085Registered, Moderators
    Remember when playing with bison in A2 to know your the correct spacing so you can punish all projectiles used against you. Bison is almost as fast a vega. with his movement and jump speed. Bison is a heavy footies type character. While he has good combo's you'll get most of your damage off your footies game imo.
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Needs more Crisco. Joined: Posts: 3,192Registered
    All the links are broken, but the info is all in this thread, they are big posts hard to miss. Sakura really is all about building meter, zoning, and knocking down. She has an extremely good knockdown game due to her j.mk beng retarded and meaty cross up set ups. One knockdown can essentially win you the round easily with cross up, high/low mix ups. She can easily combo to sho'ouken from her overhead or even a super.

    Usually most sakuras will zone with her extremely good s.rh and fireball, which you can charge to stop jump ins. Once you get any type of knockdown start her mix up. Spam rh and fireballs until then. She easily anti airs anyone with c.fp, s.mk, and custom combos. Dreamfire could give better tips on her match ups overall as Sakura is my least used character in that game.
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  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,383Registered
    There is no added + frames on counterhit right?
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Needs more Crisco. Joined: Posts: 3,192Registered
    Not to my knowledge. Also WHO DOWNLOADED THE FRAME DATA I UPLOADED. I have no idea what happened to it and dont wanna rescan, if you have it please pm me.
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Needs more Crisco. Joined: Posts: 3,192Registered
    Also Im rusty if anyone want to play Ill be on pretty much all night it A2, just spam me a challenge I might be on and off afk.
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  • TastyCTastyC 幸せな犬! :D Joined: Posts: 328Registered
    I managed to get joint 3rd at a small Alpha 2 tourney with no experience thanks to this thread :D

    I picked chun, did cr.hk to legs to upkicks for cc's, then played her like ST chun with her normals. Worked out alright :)
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  • Half-RoHalf-Ro >:) Joined: Posts: 1,873Registered
    Also Im rusty if anyone want to play Ill be on pretty much all night it A2, just spam me a challenge I might be on and off afk.
    How late? I would be down around 11:30pm central time. Trying to get down Guy/Rolento/Ryu.
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Needs more Crisco. Joined: Posts: 3,192Registered
    How late? I would be down around 11:30pm central time. Trying to get down Guy/Rolento/Ryu.

    Sup Ro, hit me up on my IM if you want matches Skype AIM or facebook. SN: RagingStormX http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=513520436
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 467Registered
    Hey guys,

    As you probably all know. It can be a real hassle to reversal on wakeup effectively in Alpha2.

    Today I sat down with FBA-RR, macrolua and frame advancing to figure out why the hell Alpha2 reversals are so difficult.

    The answer is simple: You have 1 frame to reversal. As in, exactly 1 frame. You can't use pianoing or negative edge to make it easier. As soon as you do the input for a reversal DP a frame to early, it empties the buffer. So the negative edge or the subsequent button press of the piano isn't going to do you any good.

    I have no idea if this was known. But yeah, reversalling in Alpha2 comes down to 1 frame. Add to that that Turbo can skip the reversal frame, leading to an extremely small chance of hitting your reversal consistently.
  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,383Registered
    This will be a nice experiment. #alpha2 channel on efnet server. This should help out with matchmaking if you don't want to play with turbo using Brazilians.
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  • Cavern mantisCavern mantis frame eater Joined: Posts: 39Registered
    I've got a couple question about Sagat's tiger knee:
    it appears 2nd hit whiffs when any opponent is crouching,moreover 2 hit seems to connect only against SOME standing characters(zangief,adon for sure)
    how unsafe is 1 hit version in combo?
    Is it fully reckless to use it in normal combos(no cc)?checking the stance before hitconfirm :sweat:
    thnks
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 467Registered
    I've got a couple question about Sagat's tiger knee:
    it appears 2nd hit whiffs when any opponent is crouching,moreover 2 hit seems to connect only against SOME standing characters(zangief,adon for sure)
    how unsafe is 1 hit version in combo?
    Is it fully reckless to use it in normal combos(no cc)?checking the stance before hitconfirm :sweat:
    thnks

    Point blank, the move is -6 on block -5 on hit on crouching opponents (+0 on block on standing opponents). So that's not too bad. Very quick reversal CC can catch it though.But I think that if you hitconfirm it, it won't hit on the very first hit active frame thus making it safe. But I'm not sure about this.
  • Cavern mantisCavern mantis frame eater Joined: Posts: 39Registered
    Thanks man,i've been digging a bit about tiger knee too and i've find some interesting stuff too.
    i've done a small video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxAHQj8kQ2Y
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  • CSSCSS Location: San Diego Joined: Posts: 155Registered
    this game sucks
  • SeanxFaytSeanxFayt aka KintoUn Joined: Posts: 560Registered
    Do you guys still play? Everytime I enter the channel on GGPO, it's full of brazilians.
    . . .
  • Gen-AnGen-An 何で彼女出来ない? Joined: Posts: 616Registered
    Hey guys,

    As you probably all know. It can be a real hassle to reversal on wakeup effectively in Alpha2.

    Today I sat down with FBA-RR, macrolua and frame advancing to figure out why the hell Alpha2 reversals are so difficult.

    The answer is simple: You have 1 frame to reversal. As in, exactly 1 frame. You can't use pianoing or negative edge to make it easier. As soon as you do the input for a reversal DP a frame to early, it empties the buffer. So the negative edge or the subsequent button press of the piano isn't going to do you any good.

    I have no idea if this was known. But yeah, reversalling in Alpha2 comes down to 1 frame. Add to that that Turbo can skip the reversal frame, leading to an extremely small chance of hitting your reversal consistently.

    I always wondered why it was so much harder to reversal in A2 than any other game. Oddly enough, the "All about Zero 2" book suggests using the piano method.
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 467Registered
    I always wondered why it was so much harder to reversal in A2 than any other game. Oddly enough, the "All about Zero 2" book suggests using the piano method.
    Heh, that's odd. If anything, it reduces your chances to hit a reversal But yeah, this breaks with all SF traditions that have been previously established. In A3 piano'ing works again. I'm curious how it is in Alpha 1.
  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Needs more Crisco. Joined: Posts: 3,192Registered
    I can reversal fine 90% of the time. Remember also you must reversal with mp or hp dragon punches in this game. Jab dps get beat.
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Needs more Crisco. Joined: Posts: 3,192Registered
    Do you guys still play? Everytime I enter the channel on GGPO, it's full of brazilians.
    I do. Although I'm really rusty. My reaction timing is pretty bad. Just jump at me all day! Lol.
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  • Gen-AnGen-An 何で彼女出来ない? Joined: Posts: 616Registered
    I can reversal fine 90% of the time. Remember also you must reversal with mp or hp dragon punches in this game. Jab dps get beat.

    Depends on the attack height. Jab DP is vulnerable low but invincible high.
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  • Gen-AnGen-An 何で彼女出来ない? Joined: Posts: 616Registered
    Bison is almost as fast a vega.

    I LOL'd when I read this since I usually play JPN version.
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  • SeanxFaytSeanxFayt aka KintoUn Joined: Posts: 560Registered
    I do. Although I'm really rusty. My reaction timing is pretty bad. Just jump at me all day! Lol.
    :lol: I'm trying to learn this game, need people to play though :[
    . . .
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