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Alpha 3: Q & A

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  • MuskauMuskau The Patriots Joined: Posts: 1,010Registered
    Yeah I'd love some basic pressure strings and normal move priority comparisons for characters, but I doubt they'll be done for a long time.....

    For V-Ken I find b+FK more usable than his RK pokes most of the time since on a successful hit with b+FK(such as anti air) can be cancelled straight into a hadoken so you can keep pressure on.
    I find the standing RK more useful when your sure they are not going to jump. b+SP is just a funny anti-air to use if you want to go for style points lol
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    Could some one tell me what any ism Vega has on V-Akuma??
  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 3,670Registered
    ...please don't tell me I've been crouch canceling off of counter hit jump jabs and turtling, when I could have just hit Roundhouse. It makes me feel sad.
    Originally posted by Sir-Jabs-Alot
    Could some one tell me what any ism Vega has on V-Akuma??
    His own blood.

    I dunno, Vega doesn't do TOO bad, especially if you're playing someone who doesn't get to play Vegas that often. Poke with crouching Strong and Fierce, and Forward, and all that, like usual, and learn when to jump. Vega doesn't really have any character-based advantages, but in terms of practicallity, just keeping your distance and poking the shit out of them will draw out a Dp or fireball from a LOT of people, so you can do alright because of things like that.


    There are vids of some CTF a3 tourney over at cornertrap. Really good match of Arturo vs Ricky Ortiz, but the rest of the vids are cool too (Nibor vs Ortiz, and 2 of Temujin vs Ortiz). Go get them if you don't have them already. Mostly Sak vs Dhalsim, except Sabin plays some V-Vega, Nibor plays Cody, and Temujin used Cammy and Dan in one match.
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    Originally posted by TS
    ...please don't tell me I've been crouch canceling off of counter hit jump jabs and turtling, when I could have just hit Roundhouse. It makes me feel sad.


    His own blood.

    I dunno, Vega doesn't do TOO bad, especially if you're playing someone who doesn't get to play Vegas that often. Poke with crouching Strong and Fierce, and Forward, and all that, like usual, and learn when to jump. Vega doesn't really have any character-based advantages, but in terms of practicallity, just keeping your distance and poking the shit out of them will draw out a Dp or fireball from a LOT of people, so you can do alright because of things like that.


    There are vids of some CTF a3 tourney over at cornertrap. Really good match of Arturo vs Ricky Ortiz, but the rest of the vids are cool too (Nibor vs Ortiz, and 2 of Temujin vs Ortiz). Go get them if you don't have them already. Mostly Sak vs Dhalsim, except Sabin plays some V-Vega, Nibor plays Cody, and Temujin used Cammy and Dan in one match.

    Thanks for the link.. I have a friend thats better then me at A3. He has played longer then me. Its hard to win with his Vega A,X,or V. and beat my V-Akuma all I do is wait for him to try to come in and fuck up if he will not come in then I'll jump in on him with (Rh. Hurry Kicks )and get in on him and VC or just bust him up knocking his claw and mask off lol . Then I guard his shit if I have more health ;0.. Peace!
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    anyone got dan vcs?...
  • glassglass half empty Joined: Posts: 555Registered
    Originally posted by Big_Bad_Geif
    anyone got dan vcs?...

    not i. but would u happen to know a guy named Patrick? decent player, played Karin Rolento and a few others, came down from Auckland (to Melbourne) a month ago.
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    Originally posted by Big_Bad_Geif
    anyone got dan vcs?...

    Temujin (who has the best Dan I've seen) uses I think two customs with Dan. Here's what they are from what I've seen.

    Anti air:

    VC1, jab dp, land, s. roundhouse -> qcb + roundhouse, then keep doing qcb + short until the corner, then in corner, whiffed fireball, [fierce -> qcf + P] repeat brackets until 10% meter or even less is left, whiff s. jab, let shadow hit, and jump up for CCed fierces.

    I don't use dan so try this at your own risk ;)

    then he just has a corner fireball rave:

    VC1, qcf + fierce over and over (add in a fierce or two at the beginning I guess), then with a little less than 50% meter left do qcb + short and go into the fierce -> qcf + P once or twice, and going into CC setup.
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    Originally posted by glass


    not i. but would u happen to know a guy named Patrick? decent player, played Karin Rolento and a few others, came down from Auckland (to Melbourne) a month ago.

    Yeah... if its the same patrick im thinkin of... Does he have a shaved head?...

    He was decent, but he was a long shy of being good i think... he sorta fell into patterns to easy and jumped too much... Athough I doubt he put as much time and effort into it as the hardcore guys over here....

    I remember this shoto scrub beat him off and was talking shit bout him behind his back... so I jumped on and raped the bastard off... But Patricks a nice guy, hes cool to talk too...

    Ask him about the suit guy...

    Thanx Nibor, I was already doin the hadou rave and the whiff fireball customs with him but didnt know bout the CC stuff...

    Peace....
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    Can someone give me a lik to the old Alpha 3 thread pleez?
  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,018Registered
    hmmm, id like to know what geifs splash outprioritizes, and what beats it out cold.... new thread YAYAY apoc.......yayay:lol:
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  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704Registered
    Originally posted by shadowcharlie
    hmmm, id like to know what geifs splash outprioritizes, and what beats it out cold.... new thread YAYAY apoc.......yayay:lol:

    Whoa! um...with which characters? I'm sure I couldn't think of em all and a lot depends on range. It'd be much easier to explain specific characters. Also, Aism and Vism splash act differently so it really depends. Any specific character you need counters for?

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  • TemujinTemujin HAND OF GOD Joined: Posts: 660Registered
    for the CC ender with dan you do (stand fierce, whiff fireball) until almost no meter then you do standing strong and jump up (shadow hits) then I usually do 3 jump fierces, one or two jump strongs, then land with low fierce>>spin kick (short or roundhouse).. after that you can do another low fierce>>spin kick depending on if or how they flip. 30-40% meter return which is crucial for Dan.
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  • SlideSlide Inactive Member Joined: Posts: 3,084Registered
    I've beaten Gief's splash with Guy's crouch strong deep. When I use Guy against Gief, my whole game is to get him to jump.
    Sakura's early jab DP works.
    Can Karin's stand fierce beat it clean without trading?
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    Originally posted by OrangeMegaslide
    I've beaten Gief's splash with Guy's crouch strong deep. When I use Guy against Gief, my whole game is to get him to jump.
    Sakura's early jab DP works.
    Can Karin's stand fierce beat it clean without trading?

    Err, if your whole game is to actively try to get Zangief to jump into an anti-air you're asking to be VCd, or SPD for max range.

    Yes, Karin's FP can beat it, pretty well, too.



    BTW, Dhalsim's jab of doom clealy beats Zangief's splash. His <near> SP can also beat Gief, but it has to be done a bit earlier than usual.

    Lots of crouching SPs beat the splash (with proper timing, of course). Shotos (including Dan!), for instance. Rose'. Charlie's. Honda's headbutt beats it cold. DPs can beat it, but also requires some timing, as well as good choice between JP/SP/FP. Gen's waterfall kick is one of the most reliable aganst the splash (annoyingly so). Against V-Gief the list expands to include the traditional anti-airs, such as crouching FP of most characters.
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    Any tips for X-Rolento?
  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,018Registered
    Originally posted by Apoc


    Whoa! um...with which characters? I'm sure I couldn't think of em all and a lot depends on range. It'd be much easier to explain specific characters. Also, Aism and Vism splash act differently so it really depends. Any specific character you need counters for?

    Apoc.
    ryu,charlie,and sak in v
    and gen in a
    v splash, i was thinking sak can b+hp,or b+hk?
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    Originally posted by Apoc

    Also, Aism and Vism splash act differently so it really depends. Any specific character you need counters for?
    Originally posted by mondu_the_fat

    ...Against V-Gief the list expands to include the traditional anti-airs, such as crouching FP of most characters.

    i'm just wondering... how did this information come to arise anyway (was it published in a guide/article?)? it just doesn't seem like something everyone just commonly notices.

    what other seemingly unchanged normals have different properties in the different isms (eg Gief's splash)? i mean priority range and speed in particular (as well as bufferability eg V-Rog's c.FP).
  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704Registered
    Originally posted by shadowcharlie
    ryu,charlie,and sak in v
    and gen in a
    v splash, i was thinking sak can b+hp,or b+hk?

    In a rush...um...off the top of my head...

    Ryu:far st. fierce when he jumps from low forward range and such. You wouldn't believe how much this move can own Gief. Also, st.jab after walking into him. When gief jumps from a ways away he usually waits to hit the splash in order so that it stays out when it reaches you. Use this to your advantage and walk into the jump sometimes and hit jab before any move can come out from him. Of course juggle/airthrow or set up a nice crouch cancel following this as well as the usual walk under strongxxspinkick etc. Dps work as AA too:P VC. Don't underestimate the power of the airthrow over the splash. st. strong-use like fierce but when you don't have time to get the fierce out. st.forward at 45 degrees. And of course the million things you can do to him on the way up in his jump. AC etc

    Charlie:far st. strong. Very early low fierce(nearly infallable when done early. If you trade, Charlie still has the momentum and the ability to juggle and all the million other yadda yadda. St.jab, much like Ryu's but it just seems better with him to me. Deep RH flashkick. Neutral RH. Hopkick backward, jump back fierce, AC, backfist on the way up will trade at worst. Airthrow...he has tons of counters but these are the best so...

    Sak, I don't even touch this ho. um...st.jab, early back fierce(doubles as a poke that major counters), kk airthrow, vc if they have no meter, back+RH hella close, far RH on the way up or if they jump from far simply to cover distance. St.strong. I know at some ranges you can use low frc to major counter. Jump back forward hits it too I think...not really to sure. Temujin should know.

    Gen can rush super through it, heheh. Air super or airthrow. Just fly away to the wall. Early waterfallkick, st. strong sometimes. Low RH in kkk style. st jab(in kick style preferably). Jumping RH in kkk. He has tons of tricks at certain ranges but I'm no Gen player:( I would use those if I were to touch him. Or just block and reversal 100hand slap. He can't keep jumping on you or attack after the splash. Unless on a wake up but still. Reversal 100hands should set you back at the safe distance again while doing a tad of blocked and guard damage. Sorry, don't know Gen well.

    L8z

    Apoc.
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    The End is near...

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  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 3,670Registered
    To the people asking how to play Gief: just jump at them and do Fierce splash over and over, or alternate between that, and jumping in with nothing, and then SPD/FAB their anti-air attempt. And of course, jump splash, crouching jab/short, SPD. And mash on Fierce when you're on the ground, and do lariat for anti-air. That's basically all you need to know to beat people who are as good/better than you, and don't have enough anti-gief experience.


    To add to Apoc's list, Charlie's level 1 flash kick super will outlast VC invincibility, so you can do it even vs V-Gief safely, IIRC. Ditto that with Gen's waterfall kick, since you can hit kick again if he VCs through the first hit.

    Apoc: is Rog's "Final" turn punch practical to use, or is it out of the question because of how long it takes, and the startup time?

    and for whoever asked, old A3 thread is at http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=174

    Playing A3 on broken sticks sucks. But god damn it, I can't stop...
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  • SlideSlide Inactive Member Joined: Posts: 3,084Registered
    Originally posted by mondu_the_fat


    Err, if your whole game is to actively try to get Zangief to jump into an anti-air you're asking to be VCd, or SPD for max range.

    I'm sorry I didn't specify. I was reffering to A-Gief.
  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704Registered
    Originally posted by TS
    To the people asking how to play Gief: just jump at them and do Fierce splash over and over, or alternate between that, and jumping in with nothing, and then SPD/FAB their anti-air attempt. And of course, jump splash, crouching jab/short, SPD. And mash on Fierce when you're on the ground, and do lariat for anti-air. That's basically all you need to know to beat people who are as good/better than you, and don't have enough anti-gief experience.


    To add to Apoc's list, Charlie's level 1 flash kick super will outlast VC invincibility, so you can do it even vs V-Gief safely, IIRC. Ditto that with Gen's waterfall kick, since you can hit kick again if he VCs through the first hit.

    Apoc: is Rog's "Final" turn punch practical to use, or is it out of the question because of how long it takes, and the startup time?

    and for whoever asked, old A3 thread is at http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=174

    Playing A3 on broken sticks sucks. But god damn it, I can't stop...

    Actually, Gief can vc through the level1 and 360 the 2nd flashkick, heheh.

    In X the final punch is worth it and the TAP is good in certain match-ups but for A-Rog I find that it's not worth it since you can't throw. ac, trip, airthrow, and of course you lose 3 buttons period. The charge time is too long to hold down 3 buttons while not using those techniques. Some matches? Sure. Overall? Nope.


    Apoc.
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    Mirc:EFnet:#gamecombos-for your combo and match vid fix! Also, go check Dr.Funkenstein's hub!

    Status: Retired

    "a thug changes, n' luv changes, and best friends become strangehs...word up."- Nas- The Message

    The End is near...

    I AM the counter.
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    Originally posted by TS
    To the people asking how to play Gief: just jump at them and do Fierce splash over and over, or alternate between that, and jumping in with nothing, and then SPD/FAB their anti-air attempt. And of course, jump splash, crouching jab/short, SPD. And mash on Fierce when you're on the ground, and do lariat for anti-air. That's basically all you need to know to beat people who are as good/better than you, and don't have enough anti-gief experience.


    Dammit, TS just gave away my whole strategy with Gief... :bluu:
  • SuperassriderSuperassrider Hail to the Flag Joined: Posts: 203Registered
    About V-Nash's crouch canceling,could it be that i cant do the crouch canceling on the saturn version of alpha 3. In el_diablo's video,we see that you cant block after an air recovery. Does this only works on the arcade version,cause im not a retard,but it just wont work on the saturn version.
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  • el_diabloel_diablo Joined: Posts: 282Registered
    actually, it does work on the arcade version, on the dc version, but not on the sat(not that way) and not on the ps. on sat and ps, you gotta do it so the opponent can't flip. or it won't work. weird, but that's the way it is.
  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 3,670Registered
    Originally posted by Gunter



    Dammit, TS just gave away my whole strategy with Gief... :bluu:

    I know, but I lose to Gief so easy...proof that having more moves doesn't make you better, because Gief only does like 4 things (jump fierce/splash, empty jumpin, spd/super/vc, crouching fierce, lariat) and owns like 75% of the characters in the game. God damn him.

    Apoc- thanks. How does Rog get around the standing jab issue vs shotos though? I wanna know what to look for vs a good Balrog in that match.
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  • Marvel_ous OneMarvel_ous One Simply Marvelous!!! Joined: Posts: 213Registered
    Im really trying to learn V-Karin. I know most of the otg combos and whatnot. The only thing im having trouble with is setting up for her infinite. Can anyone help me out?
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  • Homer PimpsonHomer Pimpson Questionable Joined: Posts: 1,179Registered
    Yo Apoc, im not gonna quote that whole post, but about the splash, i think thats gonna help mi ryu a lot. Thanks >)
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    Can u guys give me some Alpha3 match vids, combomovies, or sites pleez? Thanx in advance!!! :)
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    Originally posted by MIXXIAN 11
    Can u guys give me some Alpha3 match vids, combomovies, or sites pleez? Thanx in advance!!! :)

    Some vids of me attempting to use V-Gief (first time!) at a recent SVGL tourney:

    http://www.garnetscope.com/matches/

    EDIT - Oh yeah, for the record, I had gone all the way through the winners bracket with A-Gief, then lost to Kim (ohyeah1234)'s V-Sak. In the loser's I stayed with A-Gief until I played Kim again, then from then on I used V-Gief vs. him, Alex Valle, and then John Choi (in that order).
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    Originally posted by GeekBoy
    The other thread was 72 pages...I don't know how much was spam or not, but that's too much...continue here!

    Hey Geek Boy - you are a stupid cocky mother fucker who thinks you know it all. By the way, don't go around calling players scrubs when in fact you are a scrub in my opinion. I've played you and you don't know jack shit pal. Man, you talk alot of shit online but can't back it up in real life.

    Damn, I hate assholes like you. I can't wait to destroy your fucking worthless mr. know it all ass. By the way, you should know exactly who I am. I'm the guy you have never won a game against and hardly ever beat my friends either. You are a disgrace to us CA players.
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