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To critique or not to critique

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  • akumachanakumachan going domestic Joined: Posts: 412Registered
    Originally posted by bahn


    Hm? :eek:

    Oh, well...that's great then. Hooray! (oops) :o

    arguing sucks. uh...ya, carry on. :lol:

    you lay that smack down bahnny :lol: :p
    IT'S GETTIN REAL IN THE WHOLE FOODS PARKING LOT YO!
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by akumachan


    you lay that smack down bahnny :lol: :p
    *Is smackdowned*
  • Ninja CommandoNinja Commando Who saved the day..it was Joined: Posts: 9Registered
    I llike to draw japanse manga's in my spare time,it's really fun.
    Im no pro but I try.
    "N'Junjou "N'Kanjou" ("Mission Complete")
    -Ninja Commando
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    :) art bible :lol:
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    I never bash a fellow artist.
    and even if the peice isnt as up to standards as your work is, that should just make u feel alittle better about your own stuff.
    I'm just a fan of imagination.

    "The pen is mightier than the sword."
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by bahn


    Unfortunately bro, a lot of people seem to have common sense, but they have some difficulty in putting it to use. Personally, I don't mind critiques, but some people really need to check themselves. Seems the most common complaint lately invovled one artist, who went about wailing on the "report to moderator" button over and over...

    Just to add to that, please try to think before you post, and above all, if you can't say anything respectful, then it's best not to say anything at all. Oh, and lastly - achan and I aren't your parents...so please use the "report" feature in moderation. getting my box spammed to handle online domestic problems isn't my speciality. I dunno if achan has a different opinion, but that's MY pet peeve :evil:

    If Achan isn't around and there's a real serious problem brewing, just send me a PM, give me awhile to get back to you and it will be taken care of. Thanks to all...(and yes, one day - my pencil work will return) ^^;;

    Edit: not trying to take sides, but GG2k2, you have been tripping with this whole ban thing. For the record, I found you to be a pretty cool person, and I am not going to embarass you by posting the actual comments you made - lest you try calling me a liar) but I think that you really need to lighten up (and perhaps go take a breath of fresh air now and then). I mean, you treat this place like it's causes personal harm. I know you have feelings but you get WAYYYYY to wrapped up with people's comments here.

    Everyone (unfortunately) is not going to agree with you, and you can't go around making demands that we ban people left and right.


    i wanna see the embarrasing actual comments!!! =X she stopped cuz she put him on ignore! =XXX
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    yeah critique only if an artist asks for it. but don't just tell 'em that it's the best thing ever done. if you think something could be better than tell 'em, but be tactful. everyone wants to get better. but some people are more sensitive than others and one harsh remark can make them wanna stop drawing .... so just try to be civil.

    i go to an art school and i know how much it sucks to get ragged on for your artwork. in my school, which focuses on fine art, a lot of people don't even see comic-style art as an art form (ask rabbid wombat, geez i'm not even sure i'm spelling that right, j?). so i'm used to having to defend my artwork and i think it's something that nobody should have to deal with. nobody should have to feel bad about drawing. it's supposed to be used to release feelings and emotions (or to make lots of $$, heh heh), not as another way for people to get ragged on. anyhow ... sorry for the rant, but i feel that all artists should be encouraged!

    Later.
  • phil sifuphil sifu Br00klyn Gods Joined: Posts: 29Registered
    i dont know...

    in my opinion.... im thinkin that maybe they shouldnt take it to "heart"...... so what if someone says that your art is shit...
    big deal..... its only someone elses opinion.... i draw for myself and no one else.... and there arent any "MASTER ARTISTS" here at these forums.... nobody has been crowned "KING ARTIST"
    all of us are still on the same road of learning..... some are just further ahead than others .... but we have all been there... everyone of us... there is not one single person here who can say that..."oh when i was 8 years old i just picked up a pencil and sketched out the whole cast of streetfighter zero perfectly...and thats how i started drawing....."
    weve all made mistakes......
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    *blinks* this thread is still kickin?

    *falls asleep*
  • voodazzvoodazz WORST. RACIST. EVER. Joined: Posts: 2,995Registered
    Sheesh! People are way too sensitive nowadays. Anyone who cries to their mama because some unknown putz on the internet says their artwork sucks probably shouldn't post their work in the first place. Hell, they probably should never come out of their house because real life is a whole lot harsher....bah.
    www.voodazz.com
    "It's okay to lie to women. They're not people like us."
    -Peter Griffin
  • KandokenKandoken Ukettetato! Joined: Posts: 677Registered
    I know this thread's pretty old an' all.... but all I hafta say is, I've been through that kinda shit before. Hell, the ONLY reason why I posted in this thread is to get better, and see wide varieties of different styles! I mean, I worked really really hard to get where I am at the age of 17, and that was due to constant studying of animes and realism, but MOSTLY the criticism of others. I know it really sucks an' all, but whoever gets offended by comments/opinions to their art, maybe means that you KNOW they're right and you refuse to accept it, or you just can't accept the fact that you might have a flaw. Would it make it better if you led them to believe' it's the best thing since sliced bread', that'll make it worse. At least you're telling the truth. I'm not sayin you should say it's TERRIBLE, just needs work. No one's perfect! If you really can't take it though, I'll respect that as a person, but you shouldn't mind the crits, anyway... it's not truth, it's opinion. I mean, isn't beauty is in the eye of the beholder?
    OK, crits shouldn't be ridiculed for having an opinion, we ALL have those. It's just more on what the artist thinks of themselves. So just leave the Crits alone, cuz we ALL are crits one way or another.

    (-_-)
    ~Kandoken~
    >/c( /.')>: BRING THE GRAPE!
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    You just have to consider where you're at. Now, if someone here asks for a crit, good. Otherwise, I'm sure a lot of us do this in spare time and don't intend to make a living off it. So the fanart is for the sake of fun, not a higher level of artistic discussion =p

    Now, somewhere like www.theispot.com is a place for pro and aspiring illustrators. If you promote something there, expect a crit, asked for or not.
  • BengusBengus (べんがす) Joined: Posts: 76Registered
    Originally posted by phil sifu
    i dont know...

    in my opinion.... im thinkin that maybe they shouldnt take it to "heart"...... so what if someone says that your art is shit...
    big deal..... its only someone elses opinion.... i draw for myself and no one else.... and there arent any "MASTER ARTISTS" here at these forums.... nobody has been crowned "KING ARTIST"
    all of us are still on the same road of learning..... some are just further ahead than others .... but we have all been there... everyone of us... there is not one single person here who can say that..."oh when i was 8 years old i just picked up a pencil and sketched out the whole cast of streetfighter zero perfectly...and thats how i started drawing....."
    weve all made mistakes......

    :) "MASTER ARTIST"
    "Tell me what you tweet, and I'll tell you who you are." - Bengus-Savarin
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    LoL, wow I wrote that a year ago, and I still follow by it. I've gotten better, and my photoshop skills are very impressive now. I'm in college now too! Not art college unfortunately, but I'll be makin monnnnney when I get my computer engineering degree, and I'll have enough free time to work on my art more. I'm still open to do Avatars if anyone ever wants one, just dont be too specific on what you want, cause I dont like filling requests for picky people.
    -Chu

    Oh yah, I also learned how to use flash, check out some of my work so far:
    http://members.fortunecity.com/cthulhuluke/main2.html
    http://members.fortunecity.com/cthulhuluke/pguy.html
    http://members.fortunecity.com/cthulhuluke/circle2.html
    http://www.geocities.com/oni_otaku/intro.html
    http://www.mamestation.tk *I just did the intro*
    currently I'm working on this one guys page
    http://www.geocities.com/cthulhuluke/temp/index.html

    I'm not currently taking flash requests unless I get something in exchange, and I can currently be easily pursuaded if someone's willing to get me 10 competition pushbuttons from www.happcontrols.com I'll make you a damn nice page thats for sure.
  • Unknown Joined:
    Having worked five years in animation, I can say it's safe to say that an informed critic is a great help.

    Someone who's been it it longer or has a good eye will help you improve. I have a friend who's worked in animation for 15 years.

    What he says is often- the truth.:D
  • Rhio2kRhio2k Senior Member Joined: Posts: 8,392Registered
    I understand that there's critiqueing, and then there's downright trash-talking...speaking of which, who is this Sweet guy? People aren't even asking for opinions, they're just posting stuff, and he bashes the hell out of them. That kinda crap could lead to us amateur artists, and even some good ones not posting their art for fear of it not being "Good Enough"...
    Roger: Well, Anita's pregnant, and-
    Cruella: Well, what can I say? Accidents will happen.
    Roger: We're having puppies, too.
    Cruella: *Gasp* Puppies!? *Leer* My, you have been a busy boy!
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    Funny, people just asked liked ****s to me.
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    i don't know if you guys are reading my chun li thread, but it's gone past critique there - wombat is accusing me of stealing the art. i won't go into details and i'll be closing the thread soon (i just want him to read the last post there for closure) but i hope he learns his mistake. i don't expect an apology, and i'm sure as hell not going to post anything else up on these boards having to do with my sketches. it's not worth the grief some of these posters give the fanartists - constructive criticism is one thing, but posting crap up that makes the guy not want to share anymore defeats the purpose of these threads imho.
  • white shadowwhite shadow Stats 20/20 20/20 20/20 20/20 20/20 1/1 Joined: Posts: 9,092Registered
    BTW, how do you put a pic on your computer on here? I've tried several times but it never seems to transfer and I REALLY want to see how my art fairs against you guys. (I'm no Da Vinci:p ) I draw with pen pencils and the mouse.:)
    It could be Esther Baxter vs. Pat Morita in drag and half of this board would be like "black chicks don't really turn me on sooo..." - Randomnigga

    " Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?!!!"- Wayne Brady from Chappelle's Show. LOL!!!
  • ErenEren Simple Rating Joined: Posts: 12,646Registered, Moderators, Premium
    Originally posted by akumachan



    READ THAT POST PEOPLE.

    THAT IS THE ART GALLERY BIBLE.


    1. This is NOT art school. NOR is this critique class. This is a FAN ART Gallery. For fans. Not only for professional artists. EVERYONE IS WELCOME. and EVERYONE should be able to post art without fear of bashing.

    2. People post their art here for FUN.

    3. harsh critique should not be delivered unless asked for. (of course constructive comments are ALWAYS welcome

    4. NOT EVERYONE wants to be a professional artist one day. 90% of you just draw for fun.

    5. a PERSON drew the picture you are about to bash. And that person put a lot of effort into their work. That person also has FEELINGS.

    6. Remember the old saying.... "If you can't say something nice, don't say a goddamn thing at ALL" so have some damn common courtesy.

    7. Art bashing is a pet peeve of mine. I am very unforgiving when I see senseless bashing.



    anyway, now that i have more time on my hands I WILL be enforcing the critiquing rules. Yes you can critique, but use common sense. and remember the best thing you can do for a beginning artist is to ENCOURAGE THEM. This doesnt mean you cannot point out their faults, but be ENCOURAGING. I understand that constructive criticism is imperative for artists to get better, but use your GOOD judgment about how that critique should be worded.

    It is true in this world that some of us never use common sense a-chan, but your right about everything, encouraging a beginning artist is what makes the Fan Art Gallery fun. We all started low at some standard, and work or way up to talented drawers. I hope everyone can realize that....
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  • Unknown Joined:
    frist off, i not that good yet. and i was sketching and realized that my hands made all of my pictures look really bad. so i was wondering if someone could show me a few different ways to break the hand down into shapes and such, that would be excallent. thanks! ^_^
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    one more thing. i would like to post some of my art so all you good people can tell me what im doin wrong, so i can fix it. do i need to scan it and save it or somthin like that? what i need do?
    p.s. sorry for the newbish question. you probly get it all the freakin time.:sweat:
    donkey
  • HanzouHanzou Genius of Fisticuffs Joined: Posts: 299Registered
    If you want to learn hands, grab an anatomy book. You should be able to find something like that at your local library.

    As for critiques, I appreciate harsh ones. I even don't mind Sweet's abrasive methods. The thing about Sweet is that he hardly ever posts his own work on these boards, and the stuff I saw wasn't mind-blowing (though it was good). If SFMC gave me criticism, I'd take it more seriously than I would from Sweet, since SFMC posts a lot of his work and its always excellent.
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    nifty. thanks
  • white shadowwhite shadow Stats 20/20 20/20 20/20 20/20 20/20 1/1 Joined: Posts: 9,092Registered
    Originally posted by white shadow
    BTW, how do you put a pic on your computer on here? I've tried several times but it never seems to transfer and I REALLY want to see how my art fairs against you guys. (I'm no Da Vinci:p ) I draw with pen pencils and the mouse.:)

    :p
    It could be Esther Baxter vs. Pat Morita in drag and half of this board would be like "black chicks don't really turn me on sooo..." - Randomnigga

    " Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?!!!"- Wayne Brady from Chappelle's Show. LOL!!!
  • Unknown Joined:
    I'm typing this all over again, from scratch. Damn computer.X_X

    I'm not qouting because there's too much to qoute.

    I agree with everything said by a-chan. My viewpoints, some anyway, you don't want me to type them all, are as follows:

    Fan art galleries are there to post your art and show it to other people. There's no reason to critique unless someone asks for it. I think a critique without constructive criticism can't even be called a critique. What's the point of even commenting if you're not going to give suggestions or a reference, something positive? No one wants to hear "Your art sucks." Don't point out every little flaw in someone's work, it hurts, even for those people who are all "I feel no emotions. Words do not effect me." it does, they just don't show it.

    EVERYONE started out "sub-standard" which is really basing their artwork off the majority's, which is the same as basing it off of one person's, making the words "sub-standard" and "average" really annoying and are just really worthless words in the English langauge, so limited... I don't compare myself to "average" art, I compare myself to what my goal is. Critiques are there to help me reach that goal, but they can still hurt, if said harshly. Watch what you say. It shouldn't matter wether somone is good or bad, it's art, enjoy it, they're putting it up because they want to. I started out crappy, Vango started out crappy, O' Keffe, all the manga artists. There's no reason to bash someone's artwork. No one deserves that.

    Another thing. People, grow up. You'd think that anyone above the age of 13, 15 and ESPECIALLY 18, would have the decency, the understanding of human emotions/ understanding of the consequences and common sense, which I know is hard to tap into for some people, to stop saying, "Oh, he did this." "Hey, she did that." There's no reason to put it on the boards. There's a PM system for a damn reason. Resolve your issues with people off the boards. Besides, these attacks and low blows just make you look like an idiot. It doesn't make the person you're attacking look worse, it makes you look worse. I, and I'm sure most others, though I don't speak for them, don't care what happened in the past. It's the past. (Obviously, this doesn't apply to repeat offenders, such as a serial killer, or those who have done horrible things.) Leave it alone, leave the person alone. No one wants to hear about it. I see it to every damn board I go to, except for a group of them where a group of people circulate through them and are mature, which is hard to find. Just stop the flames already. I don't care, and my bet is that no one else does either.


    I thank you very much if you've taken the time to read this post, as it has been long.^_^

    Any flames you may have can be directed at me by e-mail at: dragonflame327@yahoo.com

    Do be aware that all flames will be read, laughed at, and then deleted.^_^

    -DF

    PS- Society sucks. I know you agree. :p
  • ErenEren Simple Rating Joined: Posts: 12,646Registered, Moderators, Premium
    Originally posted by dragonflame327

    PS- Society sucks. I know you agree. :p [/B]


    Yes I do..............:evil:
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  • akumachanakumachan going domestic Joined: Posts: 412Registered
    wow, this thread kept going and going and going. :eek:

    Good to see people were actually reading it and understanding.

    its been a while, but eventually I'll start posting some stuff again. I miss drawing fan art.
    IT'S GETTIN REAL IN THE WHOLE FOODS PARKING LOT YO!
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