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To critique or not to critique

akumachanakumachan going domesticJoined: Posts: 412Registered
Originally posted by Cthulhu32
yeah, I see one flaw in your reasoning though. Why would you point out that someone sucks if they are not drawing to be anything but themselves? What if they draw and draw and really enjoy their style, ya sure, it's got A LOT of flaws or whatever, but it makes em happy, and they want to share what they got ya know. Why on earth would you say "Man, you need to get better before you post here" or whatever.
Ok, here's what happens with me in this kinda situation not online, I've got some friends that really are into fighting games and what not, so yeah, they're not amazin artists or anything, and they draw out their favorite character right. I mean some of em look like a 4th graders drawing or whatever, BUT this person put a lot of effort into this drawing, so obviously I knew they didn't care if they were better or worse than anyone, and so I just say "Wow, that's pretty good man! I like the style! Very creative" I'm not like "Well, you see, you greatly need to improve how you draw your faces, and the body structure is all off, it reminds me of boiling crap."
As long as someone doesn't ask for an HONEST and CRITICIZING comments or critiques of how they could get better, and just wants to show people their work, I'll say good things, because I know when I've shown people my work in the past, usually they say it's really good, and I'm gettin better, they know I'm not amazing or anything. I'll ask some comments, they'll tell me this looks a little ackward, but you could improve it easily.
-This board is a social environment, not a college board of judges, so if you do put any comments on someone's art piece, please be respectful man, don't just be an ass.
-Cthulhu32


READ THAT POST PEOPLE.

THAT IS THE ART GALLERY BIBLE.


1. This is NOT art school. NOR is this critique class. This is a FAN ART Gallery. For fans. Not only for professional artists. EVERYONE IS WELCOME. and EVERYONE should be able to post art without fear of bashing.

2. People post their art here for FUN.

3. harsh critique should not be delivered unless asked for. (of course constructive comments are ALWAYS welcome

4. NOT EVERYONE wants to be a professional artist one day. 90% of you just draw for fun.

5. a PERSON drew the picture you are about to bash. And that person put a lot of effort into their work. That person also has FEELINGS.

6. Remember the old saying.... "If you can't say something nice, don't say a goddamn thing at ALL" so have some damn common courtesy.

7. Art bashing is a pet peeve of mine. I am very unforgiving when I see senseless bashing.



anyway, now that i have more time on my hands I WILL be enforcing the critiquing rules. Yes you can critique, but use common sense. and remember the best thing you can do for a beginning artist is to ENCOURAGE THEM. This doesnt mean you cannot point out their faults, but be ENCOURAGING. I understand that constructive criticism is imperative for artists to get better, but use your GOOD judgment about how that critique should be worded.
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  • Unknown Joined:
    Alot of what a-chan wrote is basically common sense. Use common sense people. You probably wouldnt want someone to say your art flat out sucks.
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by aquarake
    Alot of what a-chan wrote is basically common sense. Use common sense people. You probably wouldnt want someone to say your art flat out sucks.

    :rolleyes:
    *Morrigan Pic*
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by akumachan



    READ THAT POST PEOPLE.

    THAT IS THE ART GALLERY BIBLE.


    1. This is NOT art school. NOR is this critique class. This is a FAN ART Gallery. For fans. Not only for professional artists. EVERYONE IS WELCOME. and EVERYONE should be able to post art without fear of bashing.

    2. People post their art here for FUN.

    3. harsh critique should not be delivered unless asked for. (of course constructive comments are ALWAYS welcome

    4. NOT EVERYONE wants to be a professional artist one day. 90% of you just draw for fun.

    5. a PERSON drew the picture you are about to bash. And that person put a lot of effort into their work. That person also has FEELINGS.

    6. Remember the old saying.... "If you can't say something nice, don't say a goddamn thing at ALL" so have some damn common courtesy.

    7. Art bashing is a pet peeve of mine. I am very unforgiving when I see senseless bashing.



    anyway, now that i have more time on my hands I WILL be enforcing the critiquing rules. Yes you can critique, but use common sense. and remember the best thing you can do for a beginning artist is to ENCOURAGE THEM. This doesnt mean you cannot point out their faults, but be ENCOURAGING. I understand that constructive criticism is imperative for artists to get better, but use your GOOD judgment about how that critique should be worded.

    exactly A-Chan. Just because you don't like the Character or picture doesn't mean you have to bash it. so true. so true. use common sense. not ignorant sense.
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by goukigirl2002


    :rolleyes:
    *Morrigan Pic*

    Aite first off, i did say i didnt like your pics, but despite that, i did give honest to goodness criticisms which u blatantly rejected cuz all that stuck in your head was that i didnt like it and you were just so mad cuz all of fnet flamed you. (I.e the fact that the moon doesnt appear infront of clouds)

    And I read your little drama post at sf.org. Funny shit, and not to mention i found out that you're the whiney little girl who posted "OMG THIS AKUMACHAN PERSON STOLE MY NAME MODS BAN HER" right goukichan?

    ownt
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by aquarake


    Aite first off, i did say i didnt like your pics, but despite that, i did give honest to goodness criticisms which u blatantly rejected cuz all that stuck in your head was that i didnt like it and you were just so mad cuz all of fnet flamed you. (I.e the fact that the moon doesnt appear infront of clouds)

    And I read your little drama post at sf.org. Funny shit, and not to mention i found out that you're the whiney little girl who posted "OMG THIS AKUMACHAN PERSON STOLE MY NAME MODS BAN HER" right goukichan?

    ownt

    :lol: nice try on getting me banned. but, why must a lie be put into this? i mean, Wheres Your Proof?? first of all, i like akumachan. and when i replied to her thread, i was also nice to her, and has always known that she was a mod. idiot.
    and that fact that you CAN'T do any better:lol:!!
    if you don't like the Pic, don't post at All. people are so funny now a day.

    edit: and for that i will stop relpying to your post.:)

    p.s. Great thread akumachan.:cool:
  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,018Registered
    Originally posted by akumachan



    READ THAT POST PEOPLE.

    THAT IS THE ART GALLERY BIBLE.


    1. This is NOT art school. NOR is this critique class. This is a FAN ART Gallery. For fans. Not only for professional artists. EVERYONE IS WELCOME. and EVERYONE should be able to post art without fear of bashing.

    2. People post their art here for FUN.

    3. harsh critique should not be delivered unless asked for. (of course constructive comments are ALWAYS welcome

    4. NOT EVERYONE wants to be a professional artist one day. 90% of you just draw for fun.

    5. a PERSON drew the picture you are about to bash. And that person put a lot of effort into their work. That person also has FEELINGS.

    6. Remember the old saying.... "If you can't say something nice, don't say a goddamn thing at ALL" so have some damn common courtesy.

    7. Art bashing is a pet peeve of mine. I am very unforgiving when I see senseless bashing.



    anyway, now that i have more time on my hands I WILL be enforcing the critiquing rules. Yes you can critique, but use common sense. and remember the best thing you can do for a beginning artist is to ENCOURAGE THEM. This doesnt mean you cannot point out their faults, but be ENCOURAGING. I understand that constructive criticism is imperative for artists to get better, but use your GOOD judgment about how that critique should be worded.
    and when will we have more a chan art to bitch about ;)? i mean this once a decade shit is qt but cmon :(
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  • Unknown Joined:
    Fair Enough, akumachan....but analyse this scenario....

    X (user) enters the Fan Art Gallery. "My art is pretty shite/crap, but what do you all think?"

    *Ten minutes* (or a short time frame later), "Well? *MAD Smiley*, come on then - where are your replies????"

    A user such as this DESERVES critique, especially after admitting his "art", regardless of his "talent", is sub-standard.

    Where does that leave a poster such as myself?

    ........
  • akumachanakumachan going domestic Joined: Posts: 412Registered
    Originally posted by MightyAkuma
    Fair Enough, akumachan....but analyse this scenario....

    X (user) enters the Fan Art Gallery. "My art is pretty shite/crap, but what do you all think?"

    *Ten minutes* (or a short time frame later), "Well? *MAD Smiley*, come on then - where are your replies????"

    A user such as this DESERVES critique, especially after admitting his "art", regardless of his "talent", is sub-standard.

    Where does that leave a poster such as myself?

    ........


    first off, no one deserves to have their art called shit, just because they admitted to it being "substandard" in the first place. The last thing an artist needs are disparaging remarks from other people, ESPECIALLY if they already KNOW their art needs work. Its a hell of a lot easier to tell others your stuff sucks than to have it told to you by other people.


    2nd. you must have missed the part where I mentioned that:

    "Harsh critique should not be delivered unless ASKED FOR."

    and again use your common sense. A lot of people play down their art by saying they dont have much talent. and lots of people ask "what do you think?" just because THEY say their art is shite and they ask what you think doesnt mean you have to be rude about it. There are ways to tell people that their stuff needs work other than saying "you're right, your art is shite" thats STILL NOT okay.

    the point is that EVERYONE wants comments on their art. Thats why they post it here. EVERYONE asks "what do you think?" so you should USE COMMON SENSE and NOT be an asshole.

    you can agree with someone that they have lots of things to work on, and in that case then say something CONSTRUCTIVE.

    for ex.

    "There are major problems in the piece that need to be worked on, such as proportion and composition. You may want to study human form a bit more or learn from these books..."

    IMO this is a MUCH more constructive way to tell someone what you think instead of saying "it fuggin sucks"


    To put it simply.

    Don't be a prick.
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  • akumachanakumachan going domestic Joined: Posts: 412Registered
    Originally posted by shadowcharlie
    and when will we have more a chan art to bitch about ;)? i mean this once a decade shit is qt but cmon :(

    sorry but Im one of those moody artists that has to be "in the mood" to draw. and lately I just havent been in it. but I have been sketching a bit lately which means I will prolly produce something really soon. Its kinda like laying eggs ;)
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  • Ryu Shinnosuke'Ryu Shinnosuke' hAZ|Holy Order Troll Joined: Posts: 205Registered
    Originally posted by aquarake


    Aite first off, i did say i didnt like your pics, but despite that, i did give honest to goodness criticisms which u blatantly rejected cuz all that stuck in your head was that i didnt like it and you were just so mad cuz all of fnet flamed you. (I.e the fact that the moon doesnt appear infront of clouds)

    And I read your little drama post at sf.org. Funny shit, and not to mention i found out that you're the whiney little girl who posted "OMG THIS AKUMACHAN PERSON STOLE MY NAME MODS BAN HER" right goukichan?

    ownt
    stop picking on her, you big bully! she's so much younger than you, and yet you act as if you're younger than she is! if i hear you talk crap to her ONE more time.....:bluu:
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  • Ryu Shinnosuke'Ryu Shinnosuke' hAZ|Holy Order Troll Joined: Posts: 205Registered
    Originally posted by akumachan



    READ THAT POST PEOPLE.

    THAT IS THE ART GALLERY BIBLE.


    1. This is NOT art school. NOR is this critique class. This is a FAN ART Gallery. For fans. Not only for professional artists. EVERYONE IS WELCOME. and EVERYONE should be able to post art without fear of bashing.

    2. People post their art here for FUN.

    3. harsh critique should not be delivered unless asked for. (of course constructive comments are ALWAYS welcome

    4. NOT EVERYONE wants to be a professional artist one day. 90% of you just draw for fun.

    5. a PERSON drew the picture you are about to bash. And that person put a lot of effort into their work. That person also has FEELINGS.

    6. Remember the old saying.... "If you can't say something nice, don't say a goddamn thing at ALL" so have some damn common courtesy.

    7. Art bashing is a pet peeve of mine. I am very unforgiving when I see senseless bashing.



    anyway, now that i have more time on my hands I WILL be enforcing the critiquing rules. Yes you can critique, but use common sense. and remember the best thing you can do for a beginning artist is to ENCOURAGE THEM. This doesnt mean you cannot point out their faults, but be ENCOURAGING. I understand that constructive criticism is imperative for artists to get better, but use your GOOD judgment about how that critique should be worded.
    nice tread:cool: you go! girl! you're starting to make my fears of posting my art disappear:)

    p.s. how come shin-mech-brian doesn't post his art anymore?:(
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  • Unknown Joined:
    Amen!
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by akumachan



    READ THAT POST PEOPLE.

    THAT IS THE ART GALLERY BIBLE.


    1. This is NOT art school. NOR is this critique class. This is a FAN ART Gallery. For fans. Not only for professional artists. EVERYONE IS WELCOME. and EVERYONE should be able to post art without fear of bashing.

    2. People post their art here for FUN.

    3. harsh critique should not be delivered unless asked for. (of course constructive comments are ALWAYS welcome

    4. NOT EVERYONE wants to be a professional artist one day. 90% of you just draw for fun.

    5. a PERSON drew the picture you are about to bash. And that person put a lot of effort into their work. That person also has FEELINGS.

    6. Remember the old saying.... "If you can't say something nice, don't say a goddamn thing at ALL" so have some damn common courtesy.

    7. Art bashing is a pet peeve of mine. I am very unforgiving when I see senseless bashing.



    anyway, now that i have more time on my hands I WILL be enforcing the critiquing rules. Yes you can critique, but use common sense. and remember the best thing you can do for a beginning artist is to ENCOURAGE THEM. This doesnt mean you cannot point out their faults, but be ENCOURAGING. I understand that constructive criticism is imperative for artists to get better, but use your GOOD judgment about how that critique should be worded.

    exactly a-chan. you make perfect sense.:)
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by Ryu Shinnosuke'

    stop picking on her, you big bully! she's so much younger than you, and yet you act as if you're younger than she is! if i hear you talk crap to her ONE more time.....:bluu:
    then what? :)
    Originally posted by goukigirl2002

    i mean, Wheres Your Proof??
    a-chan knows. i showed her the thread "AKUMACHAN STOLE MY NAME BAN HER" made by a certain individual by the name of "goukichan"
    then i saw sf.org with your art posted by a goukichan.
    in layman's terms?
    Goukichan cant make "akumachan" name. Makes thread to bitch about it. Gets flamed. Runs away and creates Goukigirl.

    ownt :)
  • akumachanakumachan going domestic Joined: Posts: 412Registered
    Originally posted by Ryu Shinnosuke'

    nice tread:cool: you go! girl! you're starting to make my fears of posting my art disappear:)

    p.s. how come shin-mech-brian doesn't post his art anymore?:(

    he's been WAY too busy to draw lately. He's working lots of overtime right now. as soon as things slow down for him he'll be drawing again really soon
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  • AKUMA2000AKUMA2000 RAGING DEMON DISTRIBUTOR Joined: Posts: 1,026Registered, Premium
    akumachan:

    READ THAT POST PEOPLE.

    THAT IS THE ART GALLERY BIBLE.


    1. This is NOT art school. NOR is this critique class. This is a FAN ART Gallery. For fans. Not only for professional artists. EVERYONE IS WELCOME. and EVERYONE should be able to post art without fear of bashing.

    2. People post their art here for FUN.

    3. harsh critique should not be delivered unless asked for. (of course constructive comments are ALWAYS welcome

    4. NOT EVERYONE wants to be a professional artist one day. 90% of you just draw for fun.

    5. a PERSON drew the picture you are about to bash. And that person put a lot of effort into their work. That person also has FEELINGS.

    6. Remember the old saying.... "If you can't say something nice, don't say a goddamn thing at ALL" so have some damn common courtesy.

    7. Art bashing is a pet peeve of mine. I am very unforgiving when I see senseless bashing.



    anyway, now that i have more time on my hands I WILL be enforcing the critiquing rules. Yes you can critique, but use common sense. and remember the best thing you can do for a beginning artist is to ENCOURAGE THEM. This doesnt mean you cannot point out their faults, but be ENCOURAGING. I understand that constructive criticism is imperative for artists to get better, but use your GOOD judgment about how that critique should be worded.


    Well said......
    :lp: :lp: :b: :lk: :hp: (Ultra Raging Demon)



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  • Unknown Joined:
    This is the FUNNIEST post i have ever heard!
    Originally posted by aquarake

    then what? :)


    a-chan knows. i showed her the thread "AKUMACHAN STOLE MY NAME BAN HER" made by a certain individual by the name of "goukichan"
    then i saw sf.org with your art posted by a goukichan.
    in layman's terms?
    Goukichan cant make "akumachan" name. Makes thread to bitch about it. Gets flamed. Runs away and creates Goukigirl.

    ownt :)

    heh heh, very funny. but i don't accuse and LIE on people like you do.:) i only used GoukiChan for sf.org only! a-chan can check my IP
    and prove you wrong. and i never changed my User name(relatives don't count), plus i didn't even know SRK.com exist in the 7th mounth, cuz in that time i thought it cost something to register. but nice try Lyer.:)
    and That's how aquarake is people.:lame:
    ignore list:

    aquarake.:p

    Great Rules A-Chan. i would like to see your new Art soon.:cool:

    P.S. Happy BirthDay AKUMA2000!:)
  • Unknown Joined:
    Re: Re: To critique or not to critique
    Originally posted by akumachan


    he's been WAY too busy to draw lately. He's working lots of overtime right now. as soon as things slow down for him he'll be drawing again really soon
    i thought U and SMB broke up or Something sense i haven't seen him Post in Sucha long Time.
    Have U gotten Any better a-chan?
  • akumachanakumachan going domestic Joined: Posts: 412Registered
    Re: Re: Re: To critique or not to critique
    Originally posted by Ult. Rugal B

    i thought U and SMB broke up or Something sense i haven't seen him Post in Sucha long Time.
    Have U gotten Any better a-chan?

    nah we're still together ^_^ he just doesnt have lots of time to check forums.

    and have I gotten better?? I doubt it, since I havent drawn jack since that chun-li piece I did. but i am working on a cammy piece for that lil contest as we speak. but we'll see... I feel like drawing..


    oh and aqua and gouki: will the both of you please just be quiet? dont bother responding to this post. just please be quiet.
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  • Unknown Joined:
    Very nice post Akumachan. :D
  • Unknown Joined:
    akumachan: Are we allowed to post sprite art in here?
  • akumachanakumachan going domestic Joined: Posts: 412Registered
    Originally posted by silverbolt
    akumachan: Are we allowed to post sprite art in here?

    yup.

    we just dont want people posting random images they found on the net. thats what image mishmash is for.

    Here you can post anywork that you or a friend (always make sure yo uhave permission before posting somene else's art) drew or altered etc... and that includes sprite edits.
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  • Unknown Joined:
    Just read you reply, akumachan.

    *Tips Cap*

    I see where you're coming from.

    ........
  • Dreaded FistDreaded Fist Joined: Posts: 1,913Registered
    I didn't really notice a proplem with people bashing other's work. I mean I haven't seen alot if not any disrespects towards the person's art. It may have happen and I just didn't catch it. We're getting alogn pretty good though. And I guess its better now that you make it a rule.
  • klakalouklakalou I love grape kool-aid Joined: Posts: 172Registered
    u guys can bash my work anyday:)
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  • SFMCSFMC The irate artist Joined: Posts: 1,077Registered
    Pretty cool rule. I always give a honest critique but, I never bash.
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  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by aquarake
    Alot of what a-chan wrote is basically common sense. Use common sense people. You probably wouldnt want someone to say your art flat out sucks.

    Unfortunately bro, a lot of people seem to have common sense, but they have some difficulty in putting it to use. Personally, I don't mind critiques, but some people really need to check themselves. Seems the most common complaint lately invovled one artist, who went about wailing on the "report to moderator" button over and over...

    Just to add to that, please try to think before you post, and above all, if you can't say anything respectful, then it's best not to say anything at all. Oh, and lastly - achan and I aren't your parents...so please use the "report" feature in moderation. getting my box spammed to handle online domestic problems isn't my speciality. I dunno if achan has a different opinion, but that's MY pet peeve :evil:

    If Achan isn't around and there's a real serious problem brewing, just send me a PM, give me awhile to get back to you and it will be taken care of. Thanks to all...(and yes, one day - my pencil work will return) ^^;;

    Edit: not trying to take sides, but GG2k2, you have been tripping with this whole ban thing. For the record, I found you to be a pretty cool person, and I am not going to embarass you by posting the actual comments you made - lest you try calling me a liar) but I think that you really need to lighten up (and perhaps go take a breath of fresh air now and then). I mean, you treat this place like it's causes personal harm. I know you have feelings but you get WAYYYYY to wrapped up with people's comments here.

    Everyone (unfortunately) is not going to agree with you, and you can't go around making demands that we ban people left and right.
  • Unknown Joined:
    Aqua/Gouki: Uh...can you two kids try to get along, or settle your disputes elsewhere. I can't speak for everyone else, but watching a thread degenerating while the two of you claw at each other is now what this board is about. Unfortunately, SRK hasn't made a "matchmaking conflict" board, but they ought to the way you guys carry on.


    Quit the arguing already, jeez. :rolleyes:

    Hey Achan...can you spare some time to mod my board too? :)
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by bahn
    Aqua/Gouki: Uh...can you two kids try to get along, or settle your disputes elsewhere. I can't speak for everyone else, but watching a thread degenerating while the two of you claw at each other is now what this board is about. Unfortunately, SRK hasn't made a "matchmaking conflict" board, but they ought to the way you guys carry on.


    Quit the arguing already, jeez. :rolleyes:

    Hey Achan...can you spare some time to mod my board too? :)

    umm...Bahn, Your A Little Too late for this one.:lol:
    i've stoped about a week ago.:)
  • Unknown Joined:
    Originally posted by goukigirl2002


    umm...Bahn, Your A Little Too late for this one.:lol:
    i've stoped about a week ago.:)

    Hm? :eek:

    Oh, well...that's great then. Hooray! (oops) :o

    arguing sucks. uh...ya, carry on. :lol:
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