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The Superman Thread: PREACH IT, goody!

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  • HellionHellion .5 Beat Combat Joined: Posts: 887Registered
    Where do you think they'll take the next movie with Supes' kid and the loss of his crystals?

    I mean it kinda sucks that he lost all that knowledge contained therein.

    I liked "For Tomorrow," it was kinda cool how he tried to stop the fighting by taking away everyone's weapons, and they resort to stones.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    Eighteen days, actually. It got pushed back again.
    Fuck, dude, they might as well cancel it at this point. What, are they shooting for a bi-yearly book now?
    Where do you think they'll take the next movie with Supes' kid and the loss of his crystals?

    I mean it kinda sucks that he lost all that knowledge contained therein.
    I'm not sure. The crystals aren't necessarily lost. They're on the island, which is currently space born. It's a problem for Supes, since the thing is laced with green K and he can't exactly just land on it and go looking for the crystals, but they're hardly gone for good.

    As for the kid, I wouldn't mind this being the beginning of a Super-dynasty, in which the kid isn't necessarily a part of the action but might help people covertly and receive training in his abilities for the future, but I don't know if they'd do that. Hopefully they don't just turn the boy into Super-hostage.
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,355Registered
    Actually, I was just kidding about the new delay. I was just wondering what your reaction would be.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    Actually, I was just kidding about the new delay. I was just wondering what your reaction would be.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    Three.
  • Pained AuronPained Auron teh cock of justice Joined: Posts: 2,072Registered
    nope. still four for me
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    nope. still four for me
    Good thing Lex Luthor hasn't blown off a chunk of your state, otherwise Superman would have to reverse time and then it would still be four days for me too.

    In other news, I probably need to get more sleep.
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,355Registered
    If you see this message before you go to sleep, I would like to know what your all-time favorite Superman issues and/or stories are. Other than All-Star and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, I mean. I already know you hate those comics with all your heart because they don't match up to the Death of Superman (aka, Greatest Comics Saga of the '90s and, thus, of ALL-TIME).

    Otherwise, answer me when you wake up.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    If you see this message before you go to sleep, I would like to know what your all-time favorite Superman issues and/or stories are. Other than All-Star and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, I mean. I already know you hate those comics with all your heart because they don't match up to the Death of Superman (aka, Greatest Comics Saga of the '90s and, thus, of ALL-TIME).
    Man, you are just full of lulz tonight.

    If I had to pare things down to just a handful of favorites, I'd pick:

    For The Man Who Has Everything (Supes Annual 11)

    Since you're not letting me pick the obvious Alan Moore Superman story, I'll pick this one. Not only is it written by Alan Moore, but it's drawn by Dave Gibbons, so you know it's going to rule. The JLU television adaptation of this story is pretty good, but it sorely lacks the spot-on recreation of the Mort Weisinger Krypton featured in Moore's version. A lot of writers try to get Supes angry, but Moore does it here in a way that feels natural and in-character.


    Exile At The Edge Of Eternity (Superman 400)

    I'm not overly familiar with Steranko's stuff, but I've checked out a few of his more "out there" pieces, and this is one of my favorites. The experimental format is cool as hell, telling the story in a unique way without becoming distracting, and the artwork is suitably epic. 2001: A Space Odyssey is my favorite movie, and this story sort of reminds me of that, in the way that it follows the evolution of super-humanity through various stages. And like Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow, this is one of the last great stories before the reboot.


    The Showdown Between Luthor And Superman (?)

    This story is great. Supes and Luthor maroon themselves on a wilderness planet that orbits a red sun, so they have to match wits and survive the harsh environment in order to finally settle their score. The twist end shows that there is more to Luthor than just two-dimensional mad scientist megalomania (in an era when writers typically didn't do this), and it is a little satisfying to see Superman get scuffed up a bit. I don't remember off the top of my head which issue number or which book it is, but I'm pretty sure it was published in 1960 or something like that. I think you can get it in a trade collection. I know you can get the first two in trades.


    (I don't remember what this story was called, but I found it deeply touching. Kindly try not to laugh at me.)

    Since you're making me feel obligated to pick at least one token Death Of Superman-era story, I will. I don't remember the title or the issue number, but there was one story in which the Justice League visits the Metropolis post office, shortly after Superman's "death." They learn that Supes had a tradition of going there every year on Christmas Eve, when he would read all the letters sent to him and try to help out the people who asked for it. Since Supes is obviously not around, the JL members take it upon themselves to act in his stead. I actually got a little choked up when (I think) Flash and Green Lantern built a new house for the woman whose home was destroyed in the Doomsday rampage. Again, stop laughing at me.


    Peace On Earth

    I haven't exactly made my opinion of Alex Ross a secret, but this is one instance in which I think he did alright by Superman. Here, he teams up with Paul Dini (who helped everyone remember the true nature of Batman and Superman during the dark age of the 90s), and tells a simple story that explores themes that are classic Superman.


    Must There Be A Superman? (Superman 247, or the 1970s trade collection)

    People usually see Superman's sense of virtue and ethics to be unshakable. This story is cool because it challenges that idea. The Guardians of the Universe implant the notion in Superman's head that his activities hinder the natural growth of humanity, which forces him to reappraise which situations he should or shouldn't help in. There's one memorable moment in which Supes has a confrontation with a group of farmhands, who seek his help with a problem they could solve for themselves. Supes refuses and tries to explain why, but his lesson is lost on them when an earthquake forces him to help them anyway.
  • SanoSano I'm on the PSP! Joined: Posts: 12,260Registered, Moderators
    Yeah All-Star Superman will not ship this week. At the very least, it is not on Midtown Comics' list of books coming out this Wednesday.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    Yeah All-Star Superman will not ship this week. At the very least, it is not on Midtown Comics' list of books coming out this Wednesday.
    We will see about that.

    EDIT:

    Son of a bitch. It has been delayed another week.



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    Don't know alot about Supes,but is he the strongest ever from his planet or is there evidence of others from his planet being even stronger?
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    Just read Emperor Joker, other than the confusing opening I liked it. Ignition, Bizarro and Superman were most interesting, and Joker played his part well lol.

    Batman got messed up big time, honestly I think it's one of the most brutal things I've seen in comics. (In a psychological way).
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    If they were to do another superman movie, I'd like to see Darkseid. Have supes' ship pass Apokolips on his way to Krypton, insert shit about finding earth, show up to earth and try to take the mother fucker over.

    Of course, that's what the fanboy in me wants to see. Hell, I'd be happy with a movie version of the superman animated show where Darkseid shows up and merc's turpin. lol
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    If they were to do another superman movie, I'd like to see Darkseid. Have supes' ship pass Apokolips on his way to Krypton, insert shit about finding earth, show up to earth and try to take the mother fucker over.

    Of course, that's what the fanboy in me wants to see. Hell, I'd be happy with a movie version of the superman animated show where Darkseid shows up and merc's turpin. lol

    lol turpins death is one of the only animated deaths...permenant ones in kid cartoon history.

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    For The Man Who Has Everything (Supes Annual 11)

    By mandate of the SRK Comic Book Forum Illuminati, Superman Annual #11 is a required favorite Superman story. It's not enough to just read it or watch the JLU adaptation. You must also love it long and hard.

    Exile At The Edge Of Eternity (Superman 400)

    Must There Be A Superman? (Superman 247, or the 1970s trade collection)

    The Showdown Between Luthor And Superman (?)

    I will try to track those down somehow and get back to you. Then I, too, shall be able to look down from the mountaintop of Superman Readers and laugh at the masses who have not been able to experience the classics, and thus, who completely misunderstand the purpose of Superman's existence.

    (I don't remember what this story was called, but I found it deeply touching. Kindly try not to laugh at me.)

    Ha.

    Peace On Earth

    I think Superman is maybe the one superhero who looks okay as one of Alex Ross' fat friends dressed up in a Halloween costume.


    Yeah All-Star Superman will not ship this week. At the very least, it is not on Midtown Comics' list of books coming out this Wednesday.

    That sucks, dude, that we won't be getting any ASS this week. On the other hand, at least goody can bump up his post count by restarting the countdown. Guess there's a bright side to every sad situation.

    Don't know alot about Supes,but is he the strongest ever from his planet or is there evidence of others from his planet being even stronger?

    I think that he is the strongest because he's the only survivor of his planet. Unless Supergirl counts as a fellow survivor. Even so, Superman is still stronger than Supergirl because he is a man and she is a girl.

    I am not too sure about the Kryptonians who survived by being trapped in the Phantom Zone. I presume they are about as strong as Superman (assuming they can gain power from our galaxy's yellow sun). If they worked out in the Phantom Zone, maybe they could be stronger than Superman, but he was a farmer, so he probably has pretty good fitness even without his powers.


    I think my two of my favorite Superman stories (other than Alan Moore's and ASS) are still It's A Bird... and Secret Identity.

    Action Comics #775 is another one of the best. That was the one where Superman fought the Elite, who were basically an analogue for The Authority. Joe Kelly wrote some goodass shit about why Superman is still relevant in a postmodern world. The comic just works because it has a great plot that's also a great metaphor. It's Superman vs. The Authority!

    Action Comics #800 was memorable, too. Maybe because I only read it like a few months ago, but it's another Joe Kelly story about why Superman is such an icon. There's a series of connected vignettes illustrated by various artists but it's only at the end when you really see where Kelly's going with his story. Pretty skillful writing. There's a lot of cool imagery in the comic, like this one scene Lee Bermejo drew of a firefighter wearing a t-shirt with the S-shield.

    Speaking of Bermejo, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is another one of my favorites.

    I just got Joe Casey's entire run on Adventures of Superman from eBay and read it all. Casey's one of my all-time favorite writers but I have to admit that his Adventures of Superman run is uneven due to the terrible editorial situation (early 2000s). A lot of his issues were forced crossovers with the other three monthly Superman comics at the time, so that sucked. (I think that's why Superman comics generally sucked through the entire '90s.)

    But the issues when you could tell he was allowed to do his own thing really shined because Casey had generally had Superman use his mind to defeat his foes, and Superman mostly used his powers to help people. There was a good mix of Silver Age-style adventuring and British Invasion-style meditative storytelling. He had some great artists working with him, too, like Wieringo and Pete Woods. Some dude I ain't ever heard of, Derec Aucoin, did a bunch of Casey's issues, too, and they were pretty outstanding. What happened to Aucoin?

    Other than that, I don't really know what else are my favorites. I like Superman For All Seasons and Birthright, but I don't know if I would proclaim them from the mountain and laugh down at the people who haven't read them. Maybe it's because lots of people already did read them and I wouldn't be able to feel as unique, pretentious, and elitist by claiming them as my favorites.

    Oh, I guess Alan Moore's complete run on Rob Liefeld's Supreme ranks pretty highly. We all know Alan Moore's Supreme is basically all the Superman stories he ever wanted to tell. That's the best stuff, probably.

    And Casey's run on Mr. Majestic is basically a pre-Crisis Superman thing. Ed McGuinness drew awesome stuff for those, back before he got stuck drawing things written by hacks like Jeph Loeb and... uh, Jeph Loeb.
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  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462Registered
    Just bought the Death of Superman TPB.

    the best part about that story is STILL when Doomsday steamrolls the Justice League.

    because they fucking sucked back then (and that's saying something, considering I'm a HUGE fan of Guy, Ted, and Booster).
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    By mandate of the SRK Comic Book Forum Illuminati, Superman Annual #11 is a required favorite Superman story. It's not enough to just read it or watch the JLU adaptation. You must also love it long and hard.
    My love is always long and hard.
    I will try to track those down somehow and get back to you. Then I, too, shall be able to look down from the mountaintop of Superman Readers and laugh at the masses who have not been able to experience the classics, and thus, who completely misunderstand the purpose of Superman's existence.
    Upon checking into it, I'm pretty sure all three of these stories are in the Greatest Superman Stories volumes. I feel like a poseur now.
    I think my two of my favorite Superman stories (other than Alan Moore's and ASS) are still It's A Bird... and Secret Identity.
    These are both very good, though I'm hesitant to call them Superman stories. They're tangentially related to Superman, but I tend to think of them as independent of the mythology.
    Other than that, I don't really know what else are my favorites. I like Superman For All Seasons and Birthright, but I don't know if I would proclaim them from the mountain and laugh down at the people who haven't read them. Maybe it's because lots of people already did read them and I wouldn't be able to feel as unique, pretentious, and elitist by claiming them as my favorites.
    Lulz. They're really not bad at all. They just don't have that light-shining-down-from-the-heavens-to-favor-us-mere-mortals quality that you get with something like ASS (for instance). And for Waid and Loeb, the storytelling and characterization are at least decent.
    Oh, I guess Alan Moore's complete run on Rob Liefeld's Supreme ranks pretty highly. We all know Alan Moore's Supreme is basically all the Superman stories he ever wanted to tell. That's the best stuff, probably.
    I haven't read The Return, but I've read Story Of The Year. It's superb. I bet Alan Moore is the kind of guy who looks in the mirror every morning and says, "Who's a clever bastard? That's right: Alan Moore is a clever bastard." Great gimmickry in addition to the old-school storytelling.
    And Casey's run on Mr. Majestic is basically a pre-Crisis Superman thing. Ed McGuinness drew awesome stuff for those, back before he got stuck drawing things written by hacks like Jeph Loeb and... uh, Jeph Loeb.
    Lulz x2.
    Just bought the Death of Superman TPB.

    the best part about that story is STILL when Doomsday steamrolls the Justice League.

    because they fucking sucked back then (and that's saying something, considering I'm a HUGE fan of Guy, Ted, and Booster).
    Yeah, that was one of the especially irksome details of that arc. Maxima? Ice? Come on. You'd figure if someone as important as Superman is about to get snuffed, the least they could do is throw in a few A-list League members for the occasion.
  • Carpet LintCarpet Lint LIKE LIIIIGHTNIIIIIG Joined: Posts: 3,219Registered
    I still don't understand why Guy couldn't have just chucked Doomsday into space with like a giant yellow spring or something.

    Superman Annual #11 and Action Comics #775 rank in my top 10 favourite single issues of all time. I would never have suspected one of my top ten issues would be by Joe Kelly and Doug Mahnke. I like both of them (Deadpool and JLA)...but what are the chances, you know?

    But that comic was like Superman, Truth, and Justice punching Mark Millar and his ultra extreme team of assholes (regardless if it was The Authority or The Ultimates) right in the face. Feels so good every time I re-read it.
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    I still don't understand why Guy couldn't have just chucked Doomsday into space with like a giant yellow spring or something.

    I don't understand why Superman didn't just float in orbit and just shoot fire from his eyes down at Doomsday while Batman thought up a plan to destroy that Hulk-ripoff motherfucker.

    I think it was stories like Death of Superman that turned me off to Superman for so many years. They made me think that Superman was a dumbass because these writers would only show Superman solving problems by punching them out. Superman has more power than a million exploding suns and he is the original golden guardian of good, right? So how come when the going got tough he never used his powers and only tried to punch his foes. I never got that.

    But that comic was like Superman, Truth, and Justice . . .

    I do believe you mean to say "Superman, Truth, Justice, and the American Way." Stupid Canucklehead. Get it right, bub. Go play some damn baseball and eat some apple pie.

    Action #775 is one of my favorite single issues, too. I still reread it a couple of times a year. But I think Superman was punching Warren Ellis, not Millar. Doesn't Action #775 predate Millar's runs on The Authority and The Ultimates? I'm too lazy to check, so I will just confidently say that I am correct.
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  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462Registered
    Zeph: The reason Supes didn't use his powers?

    had nothing to do with Superman, had everything to do with his shitty writers. "Superman isn't relevant, anymore. Let's kill him!"

    "Brilliant!"

    no, not brilliant. Superman wouldn't BE Irrelevant if you were a competent writer, asshole.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    Zeph: The reason Supes didn't use his powers?

    had nothing to do with Superman, had everything to do with his shitty writers. "Superman isn't relevant, anymore. Let's kill him!"

    "Brilliant!"

    no, not brilliant. Superman wouldn't BE Irrelevant if you were a competent writer, asshole.
    Truer words were never spoken. And Supes isn't the only classic hero who's gotten this kind of treatment in the modern age.
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    Eight days. I have a five dollar bill on my wall. I put a push-pin through the Great Emancipator's forehead. That money is just waiting to go to the comic book store so I can pull some ASS.
  • nameingwaynameingway I say thee nay Joined: Posts: 2,281Registered
    action comics #775 was fucking great. if anyone hasn't read it, move it up on your list of things to do. superman, serious business.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    action comics #775 was fucking great. if anyone hasn't read it, move it up on your list of things to do. superman, serious business.
    It's decent. I'll always remember it as the comic in which Superman proved conclusively that psychic mutants don't have shit on him.
  • HellionHellion .5 Beat Combat Joined: Posts: 887Registered
    I am a Superman newb you all will be laughing at from the top of that mountain.
    Just a few questions
    Isn't he supposed to be just as intelligent as Batman?

    Isn't the only reason Batman "gets away" with "beating Supes" the fact that Superman would try his best not to kill him?

    If Superman wanted to he could just obliterate the entire city block Batman was hiding in right?
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    I am a Superman newb you all will be laughing at from the top of that mountain.
    Just a few questions
    Isn't he supposed to be just as intelligent as Batman?
    It depends on who's writing him and what time period you're looking at. Classic Superman, among his many other super-abilities, was super-intelligent. He had a perfect memory, was an extraordinary lateral thinker, and had a knack for learning new things quickly. The modern Superman is much more average in this regard.
    Isn't the only reason Batman "gets away" with "beating Supes" the fact that Superman would try his best not to kill him?
    While Superman's hesitance towards harming his friends is a factor, Batman is also the most absurdly broken character in all of comics. Really, if it is even thinkable for a human being to be able to do anything, Batman has already mastered it. He is an expert in anything and everything remotely relating to crime fighting, he is a brilliant tactician, and he is always prepared.
    If Superman wanted to he could just obliterate the entire city block Batman was hiding in right?
    Sort of. It isn't just an issue of whether Superman wants to do it or not. His sense of psychological restraint is so powerful that it prevents him from exercising his powers in lethal ways, even if he might want to.

    That said, a guy with all of Superman's physical power and none of his deeply-ingrained compassion could turn Batman into a cinder from miles away if he wanted to.
  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462Registered
    The reason Batman continually beats Superman has nothing to do with 'in story' ideas.

    it's simple: Frank Miller did it in DKR, and it was awesome, so awesome that anybody who came after had to try the same thing.

    so awesome that it became cliche.

    Superman would destroy Batman in a one-on-one fight, even if Batman WERE fighting dirty.
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  • HellionHellion .5 Beat Combat Joined: Posts: 887Registered
    Sorry I don't mean for this to degenerate into a vs thread, it's a given that Supes would own Bats if things took a turn for the worst. Thing is what defintes "the worst?"
    What would it take for Supes to pull the stops on his psyche and destroy his opponents?
    What about how he was depicted against "Aliens?"
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  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462Registered
    yeah, I'm not in the mood for a versus thread either.

    I can't think of very many epic Superman arcs. After you've read "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", "Superman for All Seasons", and "For the Man who has Everything"....What else is there?

    All Star Superman is a given, but I've read all of that too.
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