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The Superman Thread: PREACH IT, goody!

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  • RockBogartRockBogart Donkologist, Ph.D Joined: Posts: 14,983Registered
    (If anybody ever wants to goad me into anything, just try to pull the whole "Batman is more interesting because he doesn't have any superpowers" argument.)

    That argument is always funny.

    Action Comics 900 seems to be selling out every where, so I just went and ordered from Midtown.
  • Rugal 3:16Rugal 3:16 Weisinger's disciple Joined: Posts: 321Registered
    Hate Supes New outfit.
    Kurt Buseik: I am a Marvelite at heart, and I like Thor. So it did pain me to see Thor go down. However, in the depths of my heart, I knew this was the way it should turn out. Not because Superman is THE icon, but because even a post-Crisis Superman would win. Many will bring up Thor's ability to create vortexes and all of the other neat tricks Mjolnir can do, but Thor's history is to head in fist and hammer first, and unless he is on the ropes, Thor rarely utilizes his other abilities. I did find Superman's recognition of Thor as maybe his single greatest opponent an appeasement in light of Superman having died at the hands of Doomsday.

    "As for Superman and Thor, it's like he said -- where he comes from, the dials go up to eleven. Superman is stronger and faster, which is probably more about the scales of power in the universe he comes from, but it was enough to let him win a very tough battle. If they fought again tomorrow, it might go the other way. Since being more powerful doesn't make you a better character, I don't see it as a slight on Thor, just as the way things are..."
  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406Registered
    I like it @3@, at least it doesn't have the uh overpants-
    http://i.imgur.com/e9Xw4.jpg
    Heck I just see it as his normal outfit minus the red 'overpants'
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  • Rugal 3:16Rugal 3:16 Weisinger's disciple Joined: Posts: 321Registered
    The "Overpants" is actually a design necessity to break up what would be otherwise a monotonous blue outfit (the red belt ain't enough)
    and supes "more than anyone" should be able to get away with the underwear thing. though it's obvious different strokes for diff peeps
    My preference for what i find a design aesthetic takes precedence over what i consider a ridiculed cliched perspective. of course others will see it differently
    to each his own.
    Kurt Buseik: I am a Marvelite at heart, and I like Thor. So it did pain me to see Thor go down. However, in the depths of my heart, I knew this was the way it should turn out. Not because Superman is THE icon, but because even a post-Crisis Superman would win. Many will bring up Thor's ability to create vortexes and all of the other neat tricks Mjolnir can do, but Thor's history is to head in fist and hammer first, and unless he is on the ropes, Thor rarely utilizes his other abilities. I did find Superman's recognition of Thor as maybe his single greatest opponent an appeasement in light of Superman having died at the hands of Doomsday.

    "As for Superman and Thor, it's like he said -- where he comes from, the dials go up to eleven. Superman is stronger and faster, which is probably more about the scales of power in the universe he comes from, but it was enough to let him win a very tough battle. If they fought again tomorrow, it might go the other way. Since being more powerful doesn't make you a better character, I don't see it as a slight on Thor, just as the way things are..."
  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406Registered
    The "Overpants" is actually a design necessity to break up what would be otherwise a monotonous blue outfit (the red belt ain't enough)
    I rather get what you mean, though an all blue outfit wouldn't bother me since there are some superheroes whose outfit is mostly a 1 colour one (eg Cass' Batgirl outfit).
    Interestingly enough, wrestlers wear a type of pants that is made up of two colors, like the one King wears in Tekken (in Tekken 6, you can let him wear different coloured ones)
    http://tekken.wikia.com/wiki/King

    So I guess so long as the red part was like what's in that image I might be OK with it. Please don't make the stupid mistake of me wanting Supes to be a wrestler or anything, I'm just noting something out =P
    For that matter, I personally liked Tim's red Robin outfit (scroll down)-
    http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Timothy_Drake_(New_Earth)

    Mind you I've been, for the longest time thinking up how the red part could blend in with the blue pants, and the best I could think up is it not being 'overpants'.[/quote]
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    If I thought for a second that the new costume would unseat the long-running design (red trunks and all) as the most relevant visual identity of the character, it might actually bother me.

    I see it as part of a trend that hasn't changed: big house editors making random irrelevant tweaks in the vain hope that it'll magically start bringing the customers back.
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,355Registered
    George Perez certainly doesn't flatter Jim Lee's lousy costume design.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    Hahaha, Jim Lee designed it? That's... very explanatory.
  • Rugal 3:16Rugal 3:16 Weisinger's disciple Joined: Posts: 321Registered
    Other things I find, I really don't think all those lines in the blue costume are necessary, If anything it think it's them designing it as something the next movie (or superman movie properties in general) can easily pattern over.. and I'm not a fan of this reversal

    Like whenever i see marvel's Ultimate Universe patterning of a costume of how a movie adapts it, it just feels wrong to me.

    Movie costumes have to pattern themselves on the comics' costumes or at least use THAT as a basis in it's own self-reference

    Instead of comic book costumes trying to design something that movie producers would think that would work in bringing costume to the silver screen

    It's asinine for me, A Makes a copy of B who tries to Copy A's original sourced material ..Hmmm like the Street Fighter: The Movie video game :O
    Kurt Buseik: I am a Marvelite at heart, and I like Thor. So it did pain me to see Thor go down. However, in the depths of my heart, I knew this was the way it should turn out. Not because Superman is THE icon, but because even a post-Crisis Superman would win. Many will bring up Thor's ability to create vortexes and all of the other neat tricks Mjolnir can do, but Thor's history is to head in fist and hammer first, and unless he is on the ropes, Thor rarely utilizes his other abilities. I did find Superman's recognition of Thor as maybe his single greatest opponent an appeasement in light of Superman having died at the hands of Doomsday.

    "As for Superman and Thor, it's like he said -- where he comes from, the dials go up to eleven. Superman is stronger and faster, which is probably more about the scales of power in the universe he comes from, but it was enough to let him win a very tough battle. If they fought again tomorrow, it might go the other way. Since being more powerful doesn't make you a better character, I don't see it as a slight on Thor, just as the way things are..."
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    As far as Jim Lee designs go, these lines look like the work of a man struggling to restrain himself.
  • AYO?!AYO?! Buttsubusu! Bravo, bravo! Joined: Posts: 11,439Registered
    New Supes outift doesn't bug me, having Jim Lee draw it kind of does. While I do enjoy the occasional Lee work I dislike when he is put on expected AAA titles and suddenly makes changes. Looks like extreme 90's police force Justice League, with the segmented plate armour for no apparent reason, and WW gets her like 15th costume change this year.

    I'm all for change in comics, but touching costimes? I think universally no one likes that, just look at the god awful mess that is the new Nightwing. Very rarely do you see a permanent change. (Although I was happy to see the OG Nightwing costume go, Perez is good but eck...disco bird wasn't my thing).

    At least the great George Perez did something nice with the new Super Suit, I'd actually be interested in Perez's run if it's a long term thing (12 issues at least). As long as he let's Superman do what he does best I'd be fine, I don't know why it's so difficult to write a Superman comic for a lot of people. Even JMS fucked it up before he got bored, left, and wrote Twilight Man Year One.
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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,355Registered
    That's not good. That's not good at all.
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  • RockBogartRockBogart Donkologist, Ph.D Joined: Posts: 14,983Registered

    I wonder if DC made them change it to look like the new one or did they do that themselves.

    I have to know who to hate
  • SanoSano I'm on the PSP! Joined: Posts: 12,260Registered, Moderators
    The sad thing is that it's still better than Spider-Man's new movie costume. :wasted:
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    I would allow myself to be surrounded by dancers all wearing the new Spider-Man costume, everywhere I go for 24 hours straight, to the constant tune of It's Raining Men, if they would just fix the damn Superman costume.

    Maybe that's an exaggeration. I fear that it may not be.
  • BENSKIBENSKI ~V4~ Joined: Posts: 1,083Registered
    That outfit clearly shows they wanna get with the times for the reboot. Only thing missing is the armor and the collar. Hopefully it will look better on film..Def better than parker's outfit.

    Definitely feeling a bit iffy with the movie outfit but for the reboot outfit in the comics im all for it.

    Btw preview for the new action comics #1
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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,355Registered
    That's not good. That's not good at all.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    First off: why are modern comics always so brown?

    Second off: while still ridiculous, the t-shirt and jeans have more to do with Superman than the Lost In Space ziplock costume.

    Third off: can we please find an artist who doesn't insist on the red eyes all the damn time? Remember when red eyes meant he was heat visioning something? What's he heat visioning? Is there an undercooked burrito in the room?

    Fourth off: what the fuck? Seriously, what the fuck?
  • RoninChaosRoninChaos Here my voice goes to ones and zeros Joined: Posts: 4,033Moderators
    That new costume for the movie makes it look like his sides have gills.
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  • SUPARNOVAXSUPARNOVAX Based Nana Joined: Posts: 5,082Registered, Premium
    I don't like the new JLA suit either. :(
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  • AYO?!AYO?! Buttsubusu! Bravo, bravo! Joined: Posts: 11,439Registered
    I liked all the Alternate costumes in The back, maybe excluding Aquaman, better than what was actually used.

    I don't mind Superman's outfit, looks fine to me.
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    new-superman-suit2.jpg
    Come at me bro..
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  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406Registered
    ^lol.

    BTW anyone else read Action Comics #1? I thought it was FANTASTIC.
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  • SanoSano I'm on the PSP! Joined: Posts: 12,260Registered, Moderators
    ^lol.

    BTW anyone else read Action Comics #1? I thought it was FANTASTIC.

    Like I said in the DC thread, not really impressed. I'll hang in there because of Morrison but so far not feeling it.
  • RoninChaosRoninChaos Here my voice goes to ones and zeros Joined: Posts: 4,033Moderators
    I wasn't impressed either.
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  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406Registered
    ...but he dropped Neo Nazis into the sewer works...
    "You have to be a badass if you ride a giant seahorse." -Grant Morrison on why Aquaman is badass
    "Game Over, Snively. ...Thanks for playing." -Dr. Eggman, Sonic Universe #40
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  • SanoSano I'm on the PSP! Joined: Posts: 12,260Registered, Moderators
    It really boils down to what seperates this book from a regular Superman comic who is not married in this reality. Extremely little. So there is no justification for another title. So this is just Superman before he fills out a job application at the Daily Planet and stops wearing jeans? Like really?

    I'm just hoping there's more to this down the line. I was hoping for something All-Star Superman level, but maybe that can't be done within current continuity. Sigh...

    Like Zeph would describe it, this is "I gotta pay the rent" Morrison and not "I'm tripping on acid" Morrison. I want the later, not the former.

    Again because Morrison is who he is I will hang in there for a while.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning #1 Joined: Posts: 11,229Registered
    DC wants to shake things up, but they never want to shake things up.
  • SanoSano I'm on the PSP! Joined: Posts: 12,260Registered, Moderators
    Superman's already in Metropolis.

    Lois already wrote her Superman piece.

    Clark Kent and Jimmy Olsen are already best friends.

    General Lane is aware of him.

    Lex Luthor is aware of him.

    And this is all BEFORE Action Comics #1!

    Is there room for growth here? Like at all? It's like Morrison is writing for an arc or writing for a TPB and not a long running comic.

    I just don't get it.



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