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Worst fighting game system?(or engine, if you prefer)Why that one?

KoiyukiKoiyuki Observant WandererJoined: Posts: 61Registered
edited March 2013 in Fighting Game Discussion
I was watching the Salty Cupcakes stream(Skullgirls tourney every Thursday @ 7PM-whenever they decide it's time to turn in, typically 'round 2-3AM), when I heard Mike Z say something interesting about Persona 4 Arena, namely that it was the worst fighting game system he's ever got his hands on. He never went into a lot of details, but he seemed to be reserving a truck load of beef about it, including stuff like the 2 button Shoryus(e.g. Yu's Big Gamble).What, to you guys, strike you as candidate for the worst you ever played, and why?(in that same stream, one of the Stream Monsters named SFA3 as one of the worst, Garou, from another). 

For me, although I do bear in mind it's an alpha, and thus not representative of the final product, Fighting is Magic felt like the least fluid of any fighting game I've ever played, and would definitely benefit from a helping of QA TLC, should anything ever come of what they have left after HASBRO brought down the legal banhammer
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  • MissionSchabernackMissionSchabernack Joined: Posts: 243Registered
    Any game with chain normals, which can be cancelled into special moves, together with launchers, which leads to >20 sec combos (hello skullgirls).
  • PointBreak91PointBreak91 Just one more sip Joined: Posts: 595Registered
  • KoiyukiKoiyuki Observant Wanderer Joined: Posts: 61Registered
    Do you guys even know what a game "engine" is? What the heck does 2 button Shoryus or chain normals have to do with a game engine?

    A game engine involves rendering engine (“renderer”) for 2D or 3D graphics, a physics engine or collision detection (and collision response), sound, scripting, animation, artificial intelligence, networking, streaming, memory management, threading, localization support, and a scene graph. It doesn't involve individual gameplay design elements like controls or combo systems.


    This is what Mike referred to it as, so that's why I went with what I did. If you have a more succinct term for the cumulative elements of gameplay, including physics, game mechanics and so on, I'd love to hear it 
  • bchan009bchan009 Joined: Posts: 431Registered
    You're talking about a gameplay system.

    So basically you're asking "which fighting game has the shittiest gameplay system?"

    A game ENGINE, as scythe pointed out, is all the stuff that handles displaying graphics on screen, sound, etc.  Examples of game ENGINES would be Unity, Unreal, MT Framework, etc.
  • KoiyukiKoiyuki Observant Wanderer Joined: Posts: 61Registered
    bchan009 said:
    You're talking about a gameplay system.

    So basically you're asking "which fighting game has the shittiest gameplay system?"

    A game ENGINE, as scythe pointed out, is all the stuff that handles displaying graphics on screen, sound, etc.  Examples of game ENGINES would be Unity, Unreal, MT Framework, etc.
    Hmm, true enough. I shall modify the original title to reflect this
  • JigsawJigsaw Joined: Posts: 103Registered
    With all the absolute junk released for consoles in the 90's, pretty much anything released in the last 10 years would easily be out of the running for "worst ever" anything. I'm thinking of stuff like Justice League Task Force which doesn't have blockstun, making every single normal punishable on block, or those Super Famicom anime fighters where hitstun frames have no hitboxes so attacks that would combo just whiff instead. I think it's pretty safe to say that no Persona, Tekken or even Mortal Kombat comes close to that kind of nonsense.
  • MendisMendis Joined: Posts: 236Registered
    Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (or basically all of the Tekken games).
    I simply don't like juggle combos.

    I'm fine with Soul Calibur though.
  • LouiscipherLouiscipher Joined: Posts: 4,443Registered
    Street Fighter The Movie The Game (Arcade).
  • J.DJ.D Keepin' it stylish! Joined: Posts: 3,447Registered
    KOFXII has the shitties gameplay to ever appear on the face of this earth.
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  • sinnish4sinnish4 sinhish Joined: Posts: 4Registered
    edited March 2013
    Marvel vs Capcom 3. Both vanilla and ultimate. No comment is needed, it's already been stated why a million times(Tvc2). Mvc2 is the last actual vs gameplay of the series.

    oh and anything capcom made in 2008 and up. Is simply doo doo. dont owned any of their new titles neither.
  • JacopeXJacopeX "Veras el color rojo cuando termine contigo." Joined: Posts: 388Registered
    edited March 2013
    Persona 4 Arena is not even close to being the worst fighter nor is it even as bad as the haters claim to believe it is. Two button anti airs is a very illegitimate reason to call a game's mechanic bad or stupid since there are probably other games that fall under the same category of one/two button counters or something even dumber. Plus, it's a totally different game mechanic that people traditionally are unfamiliar with. That should not make it a candidate for a bad fighter. I play P4A and treat it as a game of it's own, just like every single fighter should be played. It's dumb when the total opposite is done. Most if not all fighters are not as bad a people exaggerate them to be. They obviously haven't played games like Kasumi Ninja, Bikini Karate Fighters, Shaq Fu, Pit fighter, Shadow War of Succession, Tattoo Assassins, etc. They would come crawling back to this gen's fighters that are oh so hated for these so called "worst mechanics ever" rather than calling them games they JUST DONT LIKE.

    I don't like SFXT, but i'd rather play that game for the rest of my life rather then gouge my eyes out and commit suicide playing any of the games I listed above.

    I will probably have to watch the recorded stream to hear the rest of Mike Z's reasons. But anyways...

    Worst fighting game system? Most crappy western fighter made in the 90's. No fluid mechanics, very bland gameplay, lack of flexible metagame, and probably very questionable content.
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  • jedpossumjedpossum What you say? Joined: Posts: 2,667Registered
    Heh, nobody is really talking about engines just the gameplay.
    Mugen isn't anything like the engines used to make fighters it's just one big cluster fuck.
    SNK is bad about leaving a lot of glitch graphics in the over scan.
    Capcom is bad about using a lot of pointers to pointers to pointers to pointers to pointers that go to more pointers.
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  • GespenstRitterGespenstRitter Joined: Posts: 20Registered
    Oh noes. God forbid that a licensed fighter based on an RPG series actually tries to make concessions for fans of said RPG to get them to play the game, even though they'd never think about touching fighters in the first place. Even if it includes countless elements from games that their greater fighting game fanbase loved and adored.

    R-Actions are cast from hit points, can't be One More Cancelled, can almost never be used to start a combo, and are incredibly punishable. There. Done. Case closed. I can't believe people still think this is an issue.
    Mendis said:
    I simply don't like juggle combos.
    But...you play Mortal Kombat.
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  • Pete278Pete278 You've been naughty Joined: Posts: 887Registered
    cast
    go back to ur rpgs nerd LOL
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  • GespenstRitterGespenstRitter Joined: Posts: 20Registered
    edited March 2013
    Pete278 said:
    cast
    nerd
    This, from the crossdressing cosplayer.
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  • Pete278Pete278 You've been naughty Joined: Posts: 887Registered
    Pete278 said:
    cast
    nerd
    This, from the crossdressing cosplayer.
    Come on man, I even used bad grammar to make the joke clearer, no need to get defensive. 
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  • GespenstRitterGespenstRitter Joined: Posts: 20Registered
    Pete278 said:
    Pete278 said:
    cast
    nerd
    This, from the crossdressing cosplayer.
    Come on man, I even used bad grammar to make the joke clearer, no need to get defensive. 
    Hey, you shot first, man. But sorry about that. I couldn't read the tone over the internet.

    (For the record, I've never even played a tabletop RPG in my life; it's just that TvTropes has destroyed my vocabulary beyond recognition.)
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  • MendisMendis Joined: Posts: 236Registered
    Mendis said:
    I simply don't like juggle combos.
    But...you play Mortal Kombat.

    True, but in MK you're not forced to juggle as much as in Tekken.

    But hey, maybe I'm just too bad for Tekken. I acknowledge that Tekken stands far above NRS / Capcom games, when it comes to terms of skill.
  • PozerWolfPozerWolf Gummies, yum! ;o Joined: Posts: 6,870Registered
    Man, this topic sure is going places.
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  • RagingDemonStormRagingDemonStorm Joined: Posts: 6Registered

    Marvel COTA through MVC2

    That engine is the most broken, patched together fighter I've ever seen

    And their fan base wouldn't have it any other way

    CVS2 Akuma\Geese\whoevers top tier in that groove
  • KoiyukiKoiyuki Observant Wanderer Joined: Posts: 61Registered
    edited March 2013
    PozerWolf wrote: »
    Man, this topic sure is going places.
    I'm hoping it heads towards more in depth analysis of why a given game's mechanics and why they don't work using facts and examples to help support the person's claim. Half the reason I put this up, along with the claims that SFA3 or Garou suck no one would ordinarily give two shakes of a lamb tail about is to see people think in depth about a game's mechanics, including games traditionally held up as exemplary games of the genre

    JacopeX said:
    I will probably have to watch the recorded stream to hear the rest of Mike Z's reasons. 


    The juicy bits are in the last hour of the stream, where Mike also goes in why Fez's QR portion of the game is a complete slap in the face to the player. Very neat stuff!


  • Lord GodfreyLord Godfrey Joined: Posts: 66Registered
    The one I dislike the most, Yu Yu Hakusho Dark Tournament.

    It had like really bad latency issues, made the game feel like ass, even worst then stuff like War Gods.
  • density.density. DIVEKICK HERO Joined: Posts: 703Registered, Premium
    edited March 2013
    Street Fighter blows because of vortexes and top tiers are top tiers
    Marvel blows because it's one giant mixup
    Skullgirls blows because chains into combos r laaaaaaaame
    Tekken blows because I can't do crossups if my opponent is standing LOL GET A REAL ENGINE YOU CONTROLLER FANBOYS
    MK blows because I was expecting some full frontal and I didn't even get a nip slip
    I hate MvC2 because people like it
    KoF13 blows because execution is hard







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  • PointBreak91PointBreak91 Just one more sip Joined: Posts: 595Registered
    Was the title edited... by a non-English speaking 10 year old? /:)

    WHY DAT!?

    Once we all figured the true extent of it's unfair, boring brokenness at the high level, A3 died the death it deserved. A2 was always the better game, and indeed, had one of the best fighting game engines Capcom ever developed outside of 3s and ST.


  • Keepin'em HonestKeepin'em Honest Look elsewhere for lies. Joined: Posts: 214Registered
    edited March 2013
    "Worst fighting game anything" thread and the 1st 10 posts didn't mention SFxT? This must be what proud parents feel like.
    "Clearly, the fighting games you play must suck, you spend so much time hatin on everyone else's rather than playing them!"
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