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Difference between a person being an online or offline fighter

nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
edited February 2013 in Fighting Game Discussion
What do people mean by that? Im new to this crap, so i hear ppl say it and im like y would there be a difference. More serious players offline? Because i hear of ppl bitch bout online players being butt munches and being cheap. I only play street fighter so thats what im referring to.
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  • IglooBobIglooBob play 3s it's a good game Joined: Posts: 1,299Registered
    On a lot of online games you can't punish unsafe things as easily, or react to things as quickly.  so an online player is someone who abuses lag and throws out unsafe things regularly.  when you play against an online player you find yourself saying "that shit doesn't work offline" as the match goes on.

    not everyone does it on purpose.  a lot of players play online only and have no idea what they're doing is easily stoppable offline.
  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    Ahh i got ya. I only play online. Only a couple games offline with a friend. Not many ppl round here play
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  • d3vd3v Grumpy Infraction Machine Joined: Posts: 18,541Registered, Moderators
    There's also the fact that the fighting game community has its roots in offline competition and that the major events are offline (rightfully so since online changes the game so much). Being "online only" can seem negative when it's seen as not supporting the community by not going to events.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 4,195Registered
    nsreeder said:
    What do people mean by that? Im new to this crap, so i hear ppl say it and im like y would there be a difference. More serious players offline? Because i hear of ppl bitch bout online players being butt munches and being cheap. I only play street fighter so thats what im referring to.
    There's very little difference other than preference.  But keep in mind that any bit of lag tends to change how you're able to react and time your combos, which is a big issue, and is largely why online competition isn't taken seriously by the community at large.  Online is a great way to practice and learn matchups, but if you want to prove that you're a good player, you have to attend offline sessions.  Fighting games have always had their roots in the offline, face-to-face scene, and often if you're not part of that environment, you're seen as missing out on the real heart of the community.

    That and people tend to talk more shit online.  It's pretty easy to talk shit when you're safely hiding behind a monitor, but if you try that offline, you're likely to get your shit pushed in.  This has the side effect of people being nicer and more friendly in an offline setting (usually), where you're better able to create a tight-knit local community. 
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  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    I got ya. I was hoping to test my skills at philly last weekend but no converter or anything to play on ps3. I would have gotten my ass handed to me, but it would have been a lot of fun being there and talking bout sfxt. Im currently in the process of understanding frame data. Theres a great write up on the boards for it ive been checking out.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Just as planned... Joined: Posts: 3,958Registered
    pherai wrote: »
    arcade shit talk is still a far cry from suburban white boys calling you a nigger scrub on XBL because it was too laggy to punish their whiff lp shoryus

    I hear that a lot. I just started using private chats or no mic. When i played marvel online it was annoying.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 4,195Registered
    nsreeder said:
    I got ya. I was hoping to test my skills at philly last weekend but no converter or anything to play on ps3. I would have gotten my ass handed to me, but it would have been a lot of fun being there and talking bout sfxt. Im currently in the process of understanding frame data. Theres a great write up on the boards for it ive been checking out.
    I'm not even sure if there are reliable xbox-to-ps3 converters or vice versa on the market.  Plenty of ps2 converters that work, but not cross modern console stuff.  Your best bet is to either a) be nice, don't act like an asshole, and ask to borrow someone's stick for your tourney match (most guys are cool with this), or b) dual-mod your stick (parts cost $30-$60) to work on both xbox and ps3. 

    Tourneys are nice, but casual sessions and gettting to know the locals is even better.  Frame data can be a great tool if you know how to use it right, but you can certainly improve as a player without having to know that kind of stuff.  Practice and the ability to analyze your matches will get you much further.
  • M.D.M.D. digs older chicks Joined: Posts: 3,985Registered
    Inb4talkoflaglessonlineplay


    I use to be an online warrior, but after years of grinding, I realized that no matter how many decent connections I played with, I was always gonna run across some idiot playing with an unstable (green bar) connection. I also realized no matter how many points I got, there was always gonna be some fraud getting points from his friends to stay on top of the boards. You can't force high rank players (or any players for that matter) to play you if they refuse, and neg repping ragequitters won't stop them from doing it in the future. TLDR online play was pointless. I still use it as a pseudo training mode, but not as a basis for proving my skill. 

    There's no excuses when you play offline. There are no dropped packets or random lag spikes. Nobody can avoid you in a tourney if they want to be the best, and people don't talk trash unless they can back it up irl. On top of that, you get to experience the comunnity part of the FGC, complete with hype men, crowd reactions, money matches, and after-tourney dining (the best part of any major). 
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  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    edited February 2013
    Id absolutely love to play locals with ppl from the area. Thatd be way better. Just havent found anything. Im sure there is just dont really know of any. I was going to get the ps360+ or just sell my stick and buy one thats good on both consoles. Yea converters are horrible with missed inputs. Ive played a lot of sfxt so i kno most of the match ups. Just looking to be more knowledgeable in fighting games is all. I wont remember that frame data, way to much info. Just looking for general idea so i know what people r talking about and how to find safer moves and attacks. I kno my abilities and know that im no where near tourney level. Maybe could win some local stuff but thats it. I just love the game and want to witness the atmosphere of a tournament and the people.
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  • DoctaMarioDoctaMario Big Member Joined: Posts: 1,062Registered
    edited February 2013
    It all depends on what your level of involvement. Yes, offline is probably the most optimal way to play unless you live in Japan or somewhere where they have blazing fast connections. But there's nothing wrong with being an online-only player if that's what you want to do. You have a lot of people here that forget that not everyone's interested in being a tourney-level player.

    But honestly, as much as I'd love to be going to tournaments and practicing all the time, I just don't have the time. My career keeps me really busy and so online is really about the only option I have unless I get an odd weekend off and can head to some local meetup. But that rarely happens. So for me, it's either play online, or play Arcade or Training mode by myself.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 4,195Registered
    nsreeder said:
    Id absolutely love to play locals with ppl from the area. Thatd be way better. Just havent found anything. Im sure there is just dont really know of any. I was going to get the ps360+ or just sell my stick and buy one thats good on both consoles. Yea converters are horrible with missed inputs. Ive played a lot of sfxt so i kno most of the match ups. Just looking to be more knowledgeable in fighting games is all. I wont remember that frame data, way to much info. Just looking for general idea so i know what people r talking about and how to find safer moves and attacks. I kno my abilities and know that im no where near tourney level. Maybe could win some local stuff but thats it. I just love the game and want to witness the atmosphere of a tournament and the people.
    From my personal experience, PS360+ is an extremely good PCB.  If you're able to install it yourself, it actually might end up being cheaper than selling your old stick and buying a new one, depending on how much you get and what you're willing to buy for a new one.  But for $60 in parts, getting a stick that will work on all modern consoles, and potentially future consoles as well, with no extra cost to you, is a fairly good investment.  

    I'm not sure what you mean by 'tourney' level.  80% of all players in a tourney aren't experienced veterans, they're guys like you that love the game and want to be able to meet and compete against other players.  Plus, joining tournaments is a great way to expose yourself to higher levels of play, and show where you're strong and where you're weak.  You might think you know certain matchups, but once you play against guys of a higher caliber, you'll probably realize that you'll have to adjust your strategy.  Either way, even just watching tournament matches live and playing in casuals, will already greatly improve your gameplay.  
  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    Yea i could install it, i always mess with that electronic stuff. If theres another local tournament im gonna check it out. By tournament player i mean people who are really good and way above my level. Maybe im overestimating the players, but im sure id still get rolled there. Im only a b rank and thats where ive been for awhile. I play a lot of online. Im happy where im at for my first fighting game ever, but im always looking to improve. Definitely the match ups change when u play higher level competition. I see all sorts of shit thats new to me. Thats y i watch a lot of videos of high ranked players and watch what they do.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 4,195Registered
    nsreeder said:
    Yea i could install it, i always mess with that electronic stuff. If theres another local tournament im gonna check it out. By tournament player i mean people who are really good and way above my level. Maybe im overestimating the players, but im sure id still get rolled there. Im only a b rank and thats where ive been for awhile. I play a lot of online. Im happy where im at for my first fighting game ever, but im always looking to improve. Definitely the match ups change when u play higher level competition. I see all sorts of shit thats new to me. Thats y i watch a lot of videos of high ranked players and watch what they do.
    Most guys aren't killers.  Either way, you'll never know unless you play them yourself.  You won't improve unless you start playing better players then yourself, to help show you where you're weak in your gameplay.  Watching videos is great to nail down the theory of what you need to do in a match, but you really need to practice at it and play it out in order to cement it.

    The only requirement of being a "tournament player"....is that you show up to tournaments.  That's it. 
  • RedVegaRedVega Joined: Posts: 545Registered
    I noticed that when I play offline I'm able to pick up on habits A LOT faster. I'm able to adapt to a situation and understand what I did wrong. Online I can also do these things but its mostly confusion
  • kingKoopakingKoopa I Kidnap Princesses Joined: Posts: 52Registered
    Raz0r said:
    Chinatown Fair was all shit talking.

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  • PointBreak91PointBreak91 Just one more sip Joined: Posts: 595Registered
    What's incredible now, is you have a generation out there now, mainly born post 1990 I guess, who may well have never played a fighting game standing up or sitting next to another person. That must truly fukken suck. Virtually every fighting game out there now with any kind of online ranked mode has these bogusly inflated accounts that you will never, ever meet offline.

    People quick to throw out the race hate too when they lose hard, that shit'll get you stamped on hard or arrested, standing in front of an arcade machine. Also, however many videos and forums you see, it's hard to beat being walked through complex game mechanics in person by a better player.
  • King9999King9999 Beware the nice ones Joined: Posts: 5,834Registered
    I hate when I see things online that I know wouldn't work offline.  Anyone who's fought a Lion in VF5FS knows what I'm talking about.
  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    Pointbreak i agree 100% i still remember sitting there at the arcade watching people play sfii. Nothin like playing side by side someone. Then again the online gaming has increased the amount of players (i assume) if it werent for that i wouldnt be as addicted as i am now. I hate playing ranked matchea anymore. Most my fights are against friends online or people i have met by playing online.
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  • d3vd3v Grumpy Infraction Machine Joined: Posts: 18,541Registered, Moderators
    eltrouble said:
    nsreeder said:
    Id absolutely love to play locals with ppl from the area. Thatd be way better. Just havent found anything. Im sure there is just dont really know of any. I was going to get the ps360+ or just sell my stick and buy one thats good on both consoles. Yea converters are horrible with missed inputs. Ive played a lot of sfxt so i kno most of the match ups. Just looking to be more knowledgeable in fighting games is all. I wont remember that frame data, way to much info. Just looking for general idea so i know what people r talking about and how to find safer moves and attacks. I kno my abilities and know that im no where near tourney level. Maybe could win some local stuff but thats it. I just love the game and want to witness the atmosphere of a tournament and the people.
    From my personal experience, PS360+ is an extremely good PCB.  If you're able to install it yourself, it actually might end up being cheaper than selling your old stick and buying a new one, depending on how much you get and what you're willing to buy for a new one.  But for $60 in parts, getting a stick that will work on all modern consoles, and potentially future consoles as well, with no extra cost to you, is a fairly good investment.  

    I'm not sure what you mean by 'tourney' level.  80% of all players in a tourney aren't experienced veterans, they're guys like you that love the game and want to be able to meet and compete against other players.  Plus, joining tournaments is a great way to expose yourself to higher levels of play, and show where you're strong and where you're weak.  You might think you know certain matchups, but once you play against guys of a higher caliber, you'll probably realize that you'll have to adjust your strategy.  Either way, even just watching tournament matches live and playing in casuals, will already greatly improve your gameplay.  
    If he has a supported MadCatz or Hori 360 stick, it might be better to simply get one of Toodles' Kitty drop in boards since those require no soldering whatsoever.
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  • ukyo_rulzukyo_rulz Joined: Posts: 2,410Registered
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    Yes, offline is probably the most optimal way to play unless you live in Japan or somewhere where they have blazing fast connections. But there's nothing wrong with being an online-only player if that's what you want to do.
    Depends on the game. I live in Japan and my internet is over 100mbps, but UMVC3 is still a laggy, unplayable mess to me. Skullgirls is pretty good online, though.

    As for the difference between online and offline play, they just build different but related skillsets. There's a lot of stuff that works online but doesn't work offline, and a lot of stuff that works offline but is impractical online. It's hard to get good at both the online and offline "versions" of a game. I think I read an interview a while back where the korean KoF players mentioned that practicing online actually made them worse players because the skills just didn't transfer very well. An online master would probably get bodied in an offline major, but a strong offline player might not stand a chance online.

    I sometimes wonder if there are snobby, elitist online players turning their noses up at offline warriors who can't deal with lag just like offline players dismiss online ones.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Just as planned... Joined: Posts: 3,958Registered
    @d3v

    If he has a supported MadCatz or Hori 360 stick, it might be better to simply get one of Toodles' Kitty drop in boards since those require no soldering whatsoever.

    You'll be getting a pm in the near future.
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  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    edited March 2013
    d3v wrote: »
    eltrouble said:<br />
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    nsreeder said:<br />
    Id absolutely love to play locals with ppl from the area. Thatd be way better. Just havent found anything. Im sure there is just dont really know of any. I was going to get the ps360+ or just sell my stick and buy one thats good on both consoles. Yea converters are horrible with missed inputs. Ive played a lot of sfxt so i kno most of the match ups. Just looking to be more knowledgeable in fighting games is all. I wont remember that frame data, way to much info. Just looking for general idea so i know what people r talking about and how to find safer moves and attacks. I kno my abilities and know that im no where near tourney level. Maybe could win some local stuff but thats it. I just love the game and want to witness the atmosphere of a tournament and the people. <br />
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    From my personal experience, PS360+ is an extremely good PCB.  If you're able to install it yourself, it actually might end up being cheaper than selling your old stick and buying a new one, depending on how much you get and what you're willing to buy for a new one.  But for $60 in parts, getting a stick that will work on all modern consoles, and potentially future consoles as well, with no extra cost to you, is a fairly good investment.  <br />
    <br />
    I'm not sure what you mean by 'tourney' level.  80% of all players in a tourney aren't experienced veterans, they're guys like you that love the game and want to be able to meet and compete against other players.  Plus, joining tournaments is a great way to expose yourself to higher levels of play, and show where you're strong and where you're weak.  You might think you know certain matchups, but once you play against guys of a higher caliber, you'll probably realize that you'll have to adjust your strategy.  Either way, even just watching tournament matches live and playing in casuals, will already greatly improve your gameplay.  <br />
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    If he has a supported MadCatz or Hori 360 stick, it might be better to simply get one of Toodles' Kitty drop in boards since those require no soldering whatsoever.

    I have the sf4 te stick fron mad catz. Ill check out that other converter. Itll have to wait for a little tho. I want to get it done so i can do tournaments.

    Unrelated, i picked up kazuya last night. After a couple hours, hes a beast! I was beating high ranked players with him and zangief. Thats a good team. Way better than my ogre zangief. I dont have the mist step down, but kaz has great tools. Fits my style very well. I like straight brawlers who do big damage. Thata y i never really liked ogre, plus hes really unsafe.
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  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    Raz0r wrote: »
    @d3v

    If he has a supported MadCatz or Hori 360 stick, it might be better to simply get one of Toodles' Kitty drop in boards since those require no soldering whatsoever.

    You'll be getting a pm in the near future.

    Lol ive heard of that kit before. Ill check around the board and find out bout it. I like doing the research rather than just being told. I tend to learn more and remember more. That did make me laugh tho haha
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  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    edited March 2013
    Ive heard of that before. Ppl who were gods online, but wouldnt place high at tournaments even if they were a very high ranked online player. I cant f'ng stand lag. I get so pissed when i screw my combos up because of a terrible connection lol

    I kno ill never be a godlike player, but i love playing and learning more bout the characters and the mechanics of the game. Just trying to get as good as possible. I know its only online, but thats what i have now. im working hard to get to b+ status. I kno some ppl could care less bout pts, but i want that damn b+ lol Thatd be amazing for me! That would just mean that im better than where im at now.
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  • d3vd3v Grumpy Infraction Machine Joined: Posts: 18,541Registered, Moderators
    nsreeder said:
    Raz0r wrote: »
    @d3v

    If he has a supported MadCatz or Hori 360 stick, it might be better to simply get one of Toodles' Kitty drop in boards since those require no soldering whatsoever.

    You'll be getting a pm in the near future.

    Lol ive heard of that kit before. Ill check around the board and find out bout it. I like doing the research rather than just being told. I tend to learn more and remember more. That did make me laugh tho haha
    You can get the kit at http://godlikecontrols.com/ when it's back in stock. While you wait, it's best to check out the thread here.
    nsreeder said:
    I kno ill never be a godlike player...
    Stop right there. This is the worse mentality to have if you want to succeed in tournaments. If you want to do well, then you have to first believe that you have the capacity to do well and win.
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    That's how Goku won EVO.
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  • nsreedernsreeder Joined: Posts: 47Registered
    Lol trust me i try my ass off especially in a fight. But im realistic about it. I dont go in thinking im gonna lose no matter who im fighting. If i thought like i am going to be gos like id end up hating the game and never have fun playing. I balance the two of having fun and being good.

    Thanks for the link.
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    Even if you have a good connection online, playing ranked mode means you kind of have to go all in. You've only got one match against a guy you don't have any familiarity with and you have to win it. There might not be a rematch. This is a similar mentality to the Japanese arcade ranked system, believe it or not.

    For me, when I started playing Marvel IRL I started having looooooong sets like 50-100 games. People can adapt to you and vice-versa. I think it's a more enriching experience overall.
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